I broke my engine,tranny and diff.
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Mine has the throw-out bearing noise ("rattle"?) at idle in neutral that goes away when putting the clutch in. Don't think it has a thing to do with apex seals, or 3rd or 4th gear or the rear diff. Have about 9300 miles so far, no tranny problems. Any single tranny could have a problem, but it stands to reason that the harder it's driven and how frequently it will wear any involved component more than 'average' or the norm. And break-down can occur at any time after the damage was initiated - even during normal usage. Think a 84 y/o man having all-night sex w/ a 21 y/o nymph. Then he dies during breakfast the next morning. It wasn't the breakfast that did him in...
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Well there are always exceptions, but I wouldnt be suprised if they were rebuilt or reinforced.
Well there are always exceptions, but I wouldnt be suprised if they were rebuilt or reinforced.
And my FD was putting out plenty of HP and was quite fast, but I am in no way upset with the RX-8. It rides and handles better than my RX-7 ever did, and I had some awesome suspension components attached to it. The RX-8 is more predictable and definately more tractable. It's amazing what the engineers can do with a bit of R&D. I bet if I upgraded my suspension on the RX-8 as I had on the RX-7 my opinion would change. you cant just throw parts at a car and make it handle better, as I found out. It takes a bit of research and lots of tuning to get the setup right after you change even one simple component.
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If any of you had own an RX-7 like the FD, you would probably know why Im so critical with the RX-8.
If any of you had own an RX-7 like the FD, you would probably know why Im so critical with the RX-8.
I still own an FD (and an FC) and I think my '8 handles as well as the FD does. It's most certainly not as fast and the engine power comes on completely different, but hey - it's not the same car and so I don't expect it to be the same. The brakes rock, the handling is precise and very predictable and it's more comfortable to be in. It doesn't excite me quite as much as driving the FD does, but I enjoy driving it just as much.
So the main reason I'm not critical of the '8 is because I stopped comparing it to the FD, it's not one and I don't expect it to be one. It's a different car and I enjoy driving it as much as the FD but for different reasons.
So there you go.
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Originally posted by GooOnYou
How many miles did you have on your car when this happened? And how many miles were on it when the seals broke?
How many miles did you have on your car when this happened? And how many miles were on it when the seals broke?
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What I am doing is comparing an old 6 port engines vs the new renesis 6 port engine. The old 6 port engine never had this many failures at the beggining of their sales back in 85 to 91. A matter of fact we still have many second gen.'s running around with original engines and well over 130,000 miles on the engine. My nephew has a 1986 GXL running the original engine that I recently installed an intake,Racing Beat headers and pre-silencer. We took the Rx7 to our local drag strip and beat the living crap out the engine and the car ran 15.3 all day with a rookie driver.
Because the exhaust ports are now located on the side housings instead of the rotor housings, the engine has no overlap(intake and exhaust ports opened at the same time) what Mazda did was increase the intake port opening up to 30% larger since the engine has no overlap. When this is done the SIDE SEALS of the rotors are exposed to the opening and closing of the intake ports and any slight vibration of the rotor could cause the SIDE SEALS to crash right into the closing part of the intake port itself and creat some SIDE SEAL damage and lost of power. Many people with Rx8's are saying that after their engine was replaced, Mazda told them that it was a SIDESEAL problem. A large port could be made, that is not a problem, but careful attention needs to be paid to the closing part of the intake port.
Because the exhaust ports are now located on the side housings instead of the rotor housings, the engine has no overlap(intake and exhaust ports opened at the same time) what Mazda did was increase the intake port opening up to 30% larger since the engine has no overlap. When this is done the SIDE SEALS of the rotors are exposed to the opening and closing of the intake ports and any slight vibration of the rotor could cause the SIDE SEALS to crash right into the closing part of the intake port itself and creat some SIDE SEAL damage and lost of power. Many people with Rx8's are saying that after their engine was replaced, Mazda told them that it was a SIDESEAL problem. A large port could be made, that is not a problem, but careful attention needs to be paid to the closing part of the intake port.
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Originally posted by RacerX7FB
Sounds like Judge got himself a lemon
Sounds like Judge got himself a lemon
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Judge Ito:
I'm sorry to hear about the problems you're having with your car. I am wondering though, do we know for sure how many Renesis engines have failed, and how many 6PI 13b engines in the 2nd gen. RX7's failed?
Forums like these give us a place to immediately report problems with our cars; something we didn't have the luxury of doing back in 1986 to 1991.
I'm sorry to hear about the problems you're having with your car. I am wondering though, do we know for sure how many Renesis engines have failed, and how many 6PI 13b engines in the 2nd gen. RX7's failed?
Forums like these give us a place to immediately report problems with our cars; something we didn't have the luxury of doing back in 1986 to 1991.
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Think a 84 y/o man having all-night sex w/ a 21 y/o nymph. Then he dies during breakfast the next morning. It wasn't the breakfast that did him in...
Think a 84 y/o man having all-night sex w/ a 21 y/o nymph. Then he dies during breakfast the next morning. It wasn't the breakfast that did him in...
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
I just got the car back. feels back to normal with no diff. noises. Tranny and engine working fine.
I just got the car back. feels back to normal with no diff. noises. Tranny and engine working fine.
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Originally posted by Rick
Good... will you have new 1/4 times tomorrow?
Good... will you have new 1/4 times tomorrow?
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
I made a decision to still drive the car hard and race it. When something breaks next time I'm not going to take it back for warranty. I'm going to upgrade what ever breaks, Make it stronger. I want to make my Rx8 run 12 seconds all motor and I just realized that the factory equipment is not up to my challenge.
I made a decision to still drive the car hard and race it. When something breaks next time I'm not going to take it back for warranty. I'm going to upgrade what ever breaks, Make it stronger. I want to make my Rx8 run 12 seconds all motor and I just realized that the factory equipment is not up to my challenge.
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Just out of curiosity, what type of engine oil were you running in your car? and have you added any tpe of performance parts in your vehicle since you bought??
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I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the judge's car doing it's fascinating burnout with the dealer tags still on it.
There's a difference between driving a vehicle 'hard' and attempting to break stuff.It's unfair IMHO to compare the old 6ports being abused to the brand new Renesis.For one thing the rpms at which the rev limiter comes on are increased.There are more critical things taking place in this zone.I could be wrong but if the older ones were capable of running there you would see similar failures.The judge's car was definitely bouncing off the rev-limiter.
I'm not excusing Mazda who may have more bugs still to be worked out.I don't think those gearbox noises sound normal or acceptable but I'd give them time to get it all sorted.
The cars seem to do what they were designed to do and warranties are not meant to cater to abuse.I'm glad Mazda will not be unfairly burdened with the expense of replacing more of his tortured components.
There's a difference between driving a vehicle 'hard' and attempting to break stuff.It's unfair IMHO to compare the old 6ports being abused to the brand new Renesis.For one thing the rpms at which the rev limiter comes on are increased.There are more critical things taking place in this zone.I could be wrong but if the older ones were capable of running there you would see similar failures.The judge's car was definitely bouncing off the rev-limiter.
I'm not excusing Mazda who may have more bugs still to be worked out.I don't think those gearbox noises sound normal or acceptable but I'd give them time to get it all sorted.
The cars seem to do what they were designed to do and warranties are not meant to cater to abuse.I'm glad Mazda will not be unfairly burdened with the expense of replacing more of his tortured components.
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Doing burn outs, driving an brand new RX8 at over 100 MPH, driving it like there is no tomorrow are just a few of the things brand new rotary owners are doing and expecting the car to last forever...
I guess nobody told about the breaking in time frame, in rotary engine should be taking very seriously as they are very delicate engines.
I swear MAZDA before selling their cars, they should give a Rotary Engine 101 class to all the new owners who come from pistons engines and think they can do anything to their cars and missthreat the poor FE's...Why????Gee...
I guess nobody told about the breaking in time frame, in rotary engine should be taking very seriously as they are very delicate engines.
I swear MAZDA before selling their cars, they should give a Rotary Engine 101 class to all the new owners who come from pistons engines and think they can do anything to their cars and missthreat the poor FE's...Why????Gee...
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Originally posted by RX7FD3
Just out of curiosity, what type of oil were you running in your car? and have you added any tpe of performance parts in your vehicle since you bought?? were you abusing the car before letting the engine break in?
Just out of curiosity, what type of oil were you running in your car? and have you added any tpe of performance parts in your vehicle since you bought?? were you abusing the car before letting the engine break in?
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Originally posted by pr0ber
maybe this time you should leave the tranny/diff break-in for a few thousand miles before beating the hell out of it...
maybe this time you should leave the tranny/diff break-in for a few thousand miles before beating the hell out of it...
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Originally posted by CERAMICSEAL
I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the judge's car doing it's fascinating burnout with the dealer tags still on it.
There's a difference between driving a vehicle 'hard' and attempting to break stuff.It's unfair IMHO to compare the old 6ports being abused to the brand new Renesis.For one thing the rpms at which the rev limiter comes on are increased.There are more critical things taking place in this zone.I could be wrong but if the older ones were capable of running there you would see similar failures.The judge's car was definitely bouncing off the rev-limiter.
I'm not excusing Mazda who may have more bugs still to be worked out.I don't think those gearbox noises sound normal or acceptable but I'd give them time to get it all sorted.
The cars seem to do what they were designed to do and warranties are not meant to cater to abuse.I'm glad Mazda will not be unfairly burdened with the expense of replacing more of his tortured components.
I'm surprised nobody commented on the video of the judge's car doing it's fascinating burnout with the dealer tags still on it.
There's a difference between driving a vehicle 'hard' and attempting to break stuff.It's unfair IMHO to compare the old 6ports being abused to the brand new Renesis.For one thing the rpms at which the rev limiter comes on are increased.There are more critical things taking place in this zone.I could be wrong but if the older ones were capable of running there you would see similar failures.The judge's car was definitely bouncing off the rev-limiter.
I'm not excusing Mazda who may have more bugs still to be worked out.I don't think those gearbox noises sound normal or acceptable but I'd give them time to get it all sorted.
The cars seem to do what they were designed to do and warranties are not meant to cater to abuse.I'm glad Mazda will not be unfairly burdened with the expense of replacing more of his tortured components.
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Originally posted by RX7FD3
Just out of curiosity, what type of engine oil were you running in your car? and have you added any tpe of performance parts in your vehicle since you bought??
Just out of curiosity, what type of engine oil were you running in your car? and have you added any tpe of performance parts in your vehicle since you bought??
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Originally posted by Judge Ito
My car is bone stock making 196.5rwhp and ran 14.5 @ 94mph using the original engine oil the car came with.
My car is bone stock making 196.5rwhp and ran 14.5 @ 94mph using the original engine oil the car came with.
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Originally posted by RX7FD3
Thats why you blew your engine. Running it a track without even waiting to breaK IN YOUR ENGINE>
Thats why you blew your engine. Running it a track without even waiting to breaK IN YOUR ENGINE>