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Charles R. Hill 07-05-2008 01:45 AM


Originally Posted by Rote8 (Post 2537768)
A normal compression gauge will not work; there are three areas for compression on each rotor...
You need a compression gauge without a "stop" so the needle can move back down after the compression stroke, watch and compare the high points on each rotor as the engine is turned over.

Remove the valve core from the tester so the needle bounces as the compression strokes pass by. Note where the needle stops each time and determine the numerical value later. Make sure to disconnect the e-shaft sensor, first, and remember using an analogue gauge is only a general idea of the compression values. Don't forget to crank the engine at WOT.

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 02:10 AM

question: Will this get worse as I put more miles on the car? How soon until it's obvious there is a problem?

If I took it to Mazda right now, in typical dealer fashion, they would say that it's running fine. I have 57k miles behind the wheel of that car and I know it's not running correctly.

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 02:53 AM

Would this apply to me?

http://www.finishlineperformance.com...14-08-1924.pdf

V1.0 07-05-2008 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp (Post 2537944)

It could, everytime I have taken my car in and mentioned a TSB they haven't charged me anything for looking at it. You could try that route. Alot of the TSBs you have to actually "complain" or the TSB might say verify customer concern, etc. about the problem or mention the TSB otherwise the dealer won't know there is an issue. Unless it is a big saftey concern.

Worse comes to worse, have them check it out and bring a copy of the TSB. Sorry I can't be of more help.

V1.0 07-05-2008 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp (Post 2537920)
question: Will this get worse as I put more miles on the car? How soon until it's obvious there is a problem?

If I took it to Mazda right now, in typical dealer fashion, they would say that it's running fine. I have 57k miles behind the wheel of that car and I know it's not running correctly.

If you have been driving her for that many miles then it is obviously a problem, cause you know your car better than anyone else. If it is the compression it will only get worse. Do you pre-mix? Cause that TSB concerns carbon and apex seals supposedly from not enough lube.

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 01:07 PM

I've never run pre-mix.

Jedi54 07-05-2008 01:32 PM

Rodger: that WOULD apply to you.
Do you have a good relationship with your dealership? If so, see if you can get the tech to ride in the car with you. (or even just the service advisor) If they can see it first hand, you might be in luck

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 02:28 PM

All the dealers hate me. Long Beach Mazda wouldn't even given my a loaner car when they replaced my motor mounts.

Jedi54 07-05-2008 02:29 PM

stop being such an asshole! ;)
any dealerships near you that you haven't been to recently?

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 02:39 PM

Jedi, you know I can't be anything less than an asshole.

The closest dealer to me is 30 miles. (Long Beach Mazda, they wouldn't give me a loaner last time)

Browning and Galpin are next at about 40 miles.

Browning hates me and Galpin is in the valley.....

Razz1 07-05-2008 04:33 PM

Try Huntington Beach Mazda, they have the same owner as Tustin.

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 2538436)
Try Huntington Beach Mazda, they have the same owner as Tustin.

soooooo far

V1.0 07-05-2008 05:05 PM

If they don't help you out start calling Mazda. I had to do that when my first 8 went down. I bitched enough, that and my situation wasn't good at the time, and got them to ship the car after the engine was replaced to Ohio from NM. I let them have it too! I don't have the time or luxury to put up with stuff like that.

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 05:35 PM

Well, the first thing I'm going to do is check the compression. I'll be doing that monday afternoon. Once I know that my motor is bad, I'll have more courage when dealing with the stealer.

What is spec for our motors?

V1.0 07-05-2008 06:11 PM

That I don't know for sure off the top of my head, but I know it's here in the forum somewhere.

photo chick 07-05-2008 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp (Post 2538341)
Jedi, you know I can't be anything less than an asshole.

The closest dealer to me is 30 miles. (Long Beach Mazda, they wouldn't give me a loaner last time)

Browning and Galpin are next at about 40 miles.

Browning hates me and Galpin is in the valley.....

why not be nice to them for a change? maybe if they see that you're genuinely worried about your car, and not just coming in to be rude to them, they'll be more apt to help you out. also, you have your warranty. even if you're being a dick, they shouldn't deprive you of proper service.


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 2538436)
Try Huntington Beach Mazda, they have the same owner as Tustin.

tustin mazda tries to milk you for your money and some of the guys there are just incompetent. not sure if that goes for huntington, but with the same owner, i wouldn't be surprised. if you're gonna go to any dealer, get the rates from various ones and then choose which one you want to take your car to. go in with a good attitude and you'll get good service ;)

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by photo chick (Post 2538514)
why not be nice to them for a change? maybe if they see that you're genuinely worried about your car, and not just coming in to be rude to them, they'll be more apt to help you out. also, you have your warranty. even if you're being a dick, they shouldn't deprive you of proper service.



tustin mazda tries to milk you for your money and some of the guys there are just incompetent. not sure if that goes for huntington, but with the same owner, i wouldn't be surprised. if you're gonna go to any dealer, get the rates from various ones and then choose which one you want to take your car to. go in with a good attitude and you'll get good service ;)


Who said I'm not nice to them? No offense, but you've never dealt with dealers before.

04RX8man 07-05-2008 09:41 PM

yeah i would try the compression test at mazda sounds like a failing apex seal of somesort like someone above said when the motor warms up the seal does not expand like it should causing a "leak" from one side of one of the rotors to another!!!

Rotary Rasp 07-05-2008 09:45 PM

So I should do the compression check when the motor is warm....

Charles R. Hill 07-06-2008 04:33 AM

RR, you should not only do it when it is warm, you should also make sure your oil isn;t overdue for a change. Clean oil, clean air filter, and good compression tester.

V1.0 07-06-2008 10:00 AM

RR I saw this thread from rotarygod and is just a thought.

https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/rotary-compression-tester-149967/

Rotary Rasp 07-06-2008 12:04 PM

I change my oil every 3500 miles +/- 500. Air filter was cleaned about a month ago. I normally clean it every 5-6 months.


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2538838)
RR, you should not only do it when it is warm, you should also make sure your oil isn;t overdue for a change. Clean oil, clean air filter, and good compression tester.


Rotary Rasp 07-06-2008 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by V1.0 (Post 2538961)
RR I saw this thread from rotarygod and is just a thought.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?t=149967

I saw that the other day. It's very nice but I couldn't drop $300+ on a compression tester I will probably only use once in my life.

I got a hold of a basic compression tester. I'm going to hold down the release button while I have some one crank the motor. It should give me a general idea.

How big of a compression difference am I looking for between a good chamber and a bad one? I assume that there will be two bad and one good per rotor if I do have a compression leak? (each apex seal holds for two rotor faces)

Rotary Rasp 07-06-2008 12:35 PM

I can't seem to find the compression spec of our motor.

dshiznit1489 07-06-2008 12:40 PM

MSB-16 Re-Flash.


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