RX8Maine

Lube control now has FP Plus, which seems to have replaced FP 3000. I have been using FP60, and had planned on "upgrading" to FP 3000 because of its lubrication benefits, but it is now unavailable. Has anyone tried FP Plus yet? They claim it is a better cleanere than FP plus with added lubricity.

The instructions say to add 1oz per 10 gallons, which seems like way to little to provide any real lubrication. (FP plus is a cleaner only and is added 1oz per 5 gallons.)

They are only selling it in gallons, for almost $50, and I am hesitant to drop cash blindly.

map

I'm on their email list. They provided a bit more information there than I could find on the web site. I think it is just the new name for FP 3000, but maybe there is some difference. They do say it is a better UCL than FP60 (see quote below).

I have a gallon but I'm only less than half way through the first tank, so I don't really have an opinion on it yet. Before this I was using Lucas UCL. The FP Plus is thinner, I was surprised at how thin it is actually. It gives me the feeling it is not as good a lubricant as the Lucas, but I have no idea if the viscosity is any way indicative of lubricity. On the other hand, I can't imagine this stuff clogging up a fuel pump, so that is good.

I'm sure Jax will chime in with all the info.

RX8Maine

I have used Lucas UCL, but the fuel pump stuff scared me from it also.

mysql101

i am using FP 3000. Still have 2/3rds of a gallon left.

I'm premixing 3000 only. And I have a new fuel pump filter installed (old one was clogged after using FP60 and 2 stroke royal purple oil). So in a few months if I have any issues under 1/4 tank of gas, I'll have the pump pulled and have the filter looked at... then at least I will know if the FP stuff has issues with filters. I'm hoping not.

Jax_RX8

"FP3000" is the exact same formula as "FP Plus for Gasoline" (same price too). Use with confidence.

LC updated the formula and created a new version "FP Plus for Diesel" to more suit diesel's needs, also requiring higher treatment rates.

FP Plus for Gasoline, while more expensive per gallon than FP60, requires half the dosage (1oz per 10 gallons) and thus is actually cheaper if you use at recommended dose. Personally, I use 2 oz per tank in my 8 for to get additional cleaning and lubricity in addition to my premix (3 oz of IRP/tank).

Jax_RX8

FP Plus is thinner, but remember, viscosity is not an indicator of lubricity - especially when you are adding so few oz to many gallons.

FP Plus is actually thinner by design as LC found that it was better at getting into the ring areas to lube by being thinner. Also, the additives/formula of a product determines lubricity much more than viscosity of the carrier oil (Lucas uses a very heavy carrier oil).

IMHO, FP Plus is a much better cleaner and just as good a lubricant as Lucas UCL - FP Plus is a much more modern formula using the latest in additives.

New users reporting on BITOG have seen better mileage and cleanliness than when using FP60 or other similar products and are pleased with the results. While everyone has their favorites, FP Plus seems to be quickly becoming a majority favorite on BITOG based on results.

mac11

iTrader: (1)

What size are your fill ups that you are only using 3oz per tank of IRP. I have been using much more than that.

Jax_RX8

My fill ups are 12-13 gallons - I use 3 oz of IRP and 2 oz of FP Plus per tank.

The reason for only 3 oz of IRP premix is that the 2 oz FP Plus also adds additional lubricity - around the equivalent of 1 more oz of IRP.

This, plus the flow from my OMP (2.6 oz/tank) of additional IRP via the Sohn adapter, gives me am "equivalent total" of 6.6 oz of IRP per tank (13 gallons) - right on what the Idemitsu recommendation is (1/2 oz per gallon or 256 to 1 ratio).

BTW - the Idemitsu recommendation assumes no working OMP.

I might go a little higher on the IRP premix, but am trying to limit any possible cat damage from the premix as well - not sure if IRP has any phosphorous in it or not, but don't want to over do it just in case.

Also, I have an NA engine and thus will need less premix than those with FI engines that can and should run much more premix for the additional stresses being created.

Jax_RX8

While we are on the subject, one more tidbit of information for those that are interested in Lube Control Products.

One of the key ingredients in all LC products (but not the only one by any means) - LC20, FP60, and now FP Plus - and what makes all them very unique, is the use of Cyclohexanone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclohexanone

Cyclohexanone is a very lubricious solvent that performs multiple functions in LC products - it lubricates, it is an antioxidant, a stabilizer, it cleans, and it gets rid of water.

But the really, really cool thing about Cyclohexanone is how it cleans - it takes Carbon and Sludge, and it emulsifies them, turning them into a "colloidal graphite" lubricant. It essentially takes something very harmful for you engine and converts it into something very beneficial - a very, very good lubricant. This is one of the primary reasons I am so high on these LC products - nothing else out there does this.

BTW - this is why it is also such a great product set for the 8 - it takes the rotary's biggest detriment, carbon generation, and turns it into an asset - by converting carbon into a colloidal lubricant!!!

Other interesting facts:
- Cyclohexanone is what gives all LC products it's very unique aromatic smell - those that have used them know what I am talking about.
- Cyclohexanone's only drawback is that it evaporates over time with heat and why LC20 must be replenished in the oil every 1000 miles. No issue for FP products as they are used up before evaporation becomes an issue.

mac11

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Is there a point where you can have too much Cyclohexanol in your system. Such as if using FP Plus in the gas as a premix lubricant, LC20 in the sohn adapter and also in the sump oil?

Jax_RX8

You can overdo anything - but these products are designed to be used together and you would have to go way overboard to hurt anything.

Edit - If you are suggesting using only FP Plus as a premix at a high rate 4-5 oz per tank - I would NOT do that. I would not exceed 1 oz per 5 gallons and would add 2-cycle of choice for addition lubrication if so desired.

It is common for all these products to be doubled for a "shock" cleaning dose before going back to the normal rate.

I do use LC20 in the motor oil at the prescribed rate as well as FP Plus in the gas as mentioned above.

l also add 1 oz of LC20 to each quart of IRP as I put it into my oil tank feeding the Sohn adapter/OMP as an antioxidant.

map

Jax, since I am premixing with FP+ only, what amount do you recommend per fill up? I had planned on 4oz, but only because that's what I used with Lucas. Should I cut down the amount if it is indeed more concentrated?

edit - lol, answered while I was typing

Jax_RX8

Yea, FP Plus is VERY concentrated - both for lubrication and cleaning - I would not go above 1 oz per 5 gallon on an ongoing basis as the solvency will get too high and start affecting oil films.

I am using 2 oz for 12-13 gallons (1 oz the 6-6.5 ratio), plus the IRP ongoing.

RX8Maine

I just looked over the BITOG forum and I think my reservations have been resolved. I'll order a gallon. I think I'll also be using it at a slightly higher rate (2oz per 12-14 gallon fillup). I'll add a 2-stroke oil for track days and autocross.

Thanks for the info above on the cyclohexanone.

CarAndDriver

Was getting low on FP60 and saw the new FP Plus. I think I will give it a shot. Has anyone noticed any benefits to the 1 oz. for 6-6.5G versus the 1 oz. for 10G that is recommended for FP Plus?

Jax_RX8

This would be very hard to quantify either way- - but since the rotary has more lubrication and cleaning needs that a typical piston engine, the higher rate, I think, would be beneficial unless you are looking to stretch your purchase as far a possible.

While you may be looking for opinions from others as well, I have now been using FP Plus for over 6 months, with my premix, and it still runs absolutely perfect - idles and runs smooth as silk.

I have not pulled my original plugs yet, but would bet they are way cleaner that most - some due to the Adapter/Idemitsu instead of sump oil, but I would think a lot due to FP Plus as well.

CarAndDriver

Would you use the same FP Plus ratio for a 1.6L 4-cylinder Nissan piston engine?

Thanks for the help.

Jax_RX8

Yes - I think the max limit I would use for FP Plus is 1oz to 5 gallons - so anywhere between this and the 1 oz to 10 gallon standard recommendation should work great.

kersh4w

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http://lcdinc.zoovy.com/

they recommend using fp plus and lc20. cant i just use one?

CarAndDriver

^ I think most people use one or the other. I have never used LC20, but some people really like it. It is easier to come by and a bit cheaper than FP Plus. Bob is the Oil Guy forums is a good resource.

mysql101

lc20 is for your engine (oil).

the fp stuff is for your fuel (injectors)

Jax_RX8

Exactly

swoope

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beers

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swoope

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thanks for the info..

do you think using the fp plus all the time is a replacement for the 44k i run every 15k miles..

you comments have been very useful..

beers