Jaguar_MBA

Hi Zoom, I specifically asked them if the cat was ok and they said it was...I doubt they actually looked inside the cat. When I talk to them next I will ask if they removed it off of the car.

zoom44

if you remember i posted soem pics of a dead Cat before and that cat had not caused a cel. if they just looked for pending cels then it could still be the ccat.

Jaguar_MBA

Ok Dealer replaced the Coil Packs and this did not fix the issue....the dealership appears to be stumped and have suggested replacing the motor .....I will talk with them today and see what they say about the CAT not causing a CEL but still being bad. Thanks Zoom.

Jaguar_MBA

The dealer just called me and they are Fed-EXing in a new fuel pump after today's problem shooting session. The tech thinks this might be the issue. I did ask the dealer if they removed the cat for a visual inspection and the reply was no.

Redfusion3

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I was having the same problems...They replaced the cat first, the fuel pump 2nd and now a new engine.

I got a call from Mazda asking for my sales contract so they can start the paperwork and to fax it to Mazda.

I am awaiting a call for them to buy my car back, I am so glad they decided to buy it back from me.


Hopefully you don't have as much trouble as me.

RX8rider

Well, 2 days have gone by. The dealership has no idea what the problem is since I've got the latest flash and they claim to have checked the cat. They say the car is running very lean and tghey don't know why. Apparently they've called Mazda for some tech help. Right now I'm really missing my 8. The Kia Rio loaner just doesn't cut it!

Jaguar_MBA

Car is fixed....it was a faulty fuel pump. My Capital of Cary (Raleigh Area)dealership is first class ....they even detailed my car for me and filled up the gas tank because it took longer then expected to find the issue. :-)

Ok this is the final write up from the Tech:

Fuel Pump losing pressure after warmed up. Test drove car ~ 200 miles for complete diag. Replaced crank sensor and drove, still had miss, had mill ilumated. WDS test P0302 #2 misfire code, called hotline. They said to replace all 4 coil packs. R and R 4 coils and test drove. Car still acting up after coils replaced. Checked wires monitor PIDS. Everything seems to be working according to PIDS. Run compression test on both rotors. Had 7.2 7.2 7.3 on #1 rotor cold and had #2 was 7.7 7.7 7.8 cold. Ran compression test hot too had marginal readings. Did not have a fuel pressure gauge from Mazda. Had to makeshift a fuel pressure gauge and test. Drove car and found fuel pressure dropping off after car was warm. Pressure was dropping to 15PSI at high RPMS. Checked circuit for high pressure pump, all ok. PCM readings OK, also switched relays for fuel pump. Ended up replacing fuel pump. Retest all, all ok Fuel pressure staying at 60 PSI............... END

So basically I should have had 60 PSI at all times in the fuel lines, but after the pump warmed up and I went to WOT, the pump would start to fail and drop the PSI down to 15PSI.

I am very pleased with all that they had to do, plus I had a 2005 Mustang rental car.

Also they are sponsoring our Mini / Mighty / Pee Wee Tackle football with a corporate membership and full page adveristment in our program. What a world class act.

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Jaguar_MBA

They say the car is running very lean, could be lack of Fuel. Give your dealership my tech's wrtie-up and see what they say...it could be something else of course.

priscilla ls1

Lean, yeah sound's like a fuel pump. or your plugs are to hot, also tell them to check the lines to the fuel rails. and test the presuer coming from the pump. I think it should be above 60psi but I could be wrong.

RX8rider

Well, it's been almost 1 week already and apparently they haven't figured the problem out yet! I'm starting to get really annoyed because I feel like they should be able to figure it out by now. I even faxed them a copy of Jaguars write up and verbally explained to them what most likely needs to be done. The Kia Rio loaner is driving me nuts (no power, automatic, and downright ugly!) Am I being unreasonable and impatient or just naive to expect quick, reliable service?!

priscilla ls1

I don't think so, I mean A week is plenty of time to fix this.

RX8rider

I'm wondering if I should call them tomorrow and let them know that if they can't fix it by the end of the day, I'll be picking it up and taking it to another dealership (who I should've taken it to in the first place but they couldn't take the 8 the day I called...)

Jaguar_MBA

Rider, doubtful they can have it fixed by EOD. The issue is that everytime my dealership needed a part, they had to Fed Ex it in next day delivery. Thus, once they find the issue, it will be at least the next day when they get the part and then install time. Have they replace any parts yet?

Just let them keep on replacing parts. I picked up a new crank angle sensor and 4 new coil packs plus the fuel pump. Once the test parts are instaleld they do not take them back out. From what I have heard people have had coil packs fail, thus I am pleased to have a brand new set for a bonus.

RX8rider

Title tells the story. Basically, the engine was bogged down at 6000 rpm in every gear and it wouldn't go beyond that. Even pre-6000, it wasn't pulling nearly as hard as it should. So, I took it to a dealership last Tue. They told me they'd take care of the problem and they'd also take care of the recall issue since they just go the parts. I've been calling them just about every day to see how things are progressing but they have no clue. One whole week went by and nothing got done!! I layed the hammer down when I went there today and told the service dept. guy that they're incompetent and I want my car back NOW! I demanded to kow what was done (or not done) but Mr. service guy says the tech is out and he's not sure. He'll mail it to me he says! So as I start my car, the engine coolant light comes on (and it wasn't like that when I dropped it off. So I go right back, tell him to fill it up right NOW and I'm out of there. Let me tell you, the Kia Rio loaner certainly didn't make my week without the 8 any better. Now, the 8 is having a hard time pulling at any RPM, it basically sucks now. I filed an official complaint w/ MNAO. I'll be getting serviced at a diff. dealership this Thur. so I'll let you guys know how that goes. So, I'm justifiably quite pissed right now. On a good note, I got the new Valentine v1.8 radar detector and hardwired it so it's real stealth. This thing rocks! Too bad I can't go fast enough to test it out.

priscilla ls1

I never understood what the problem was, I mean the engine bogges and won't go over 6000rpm's or it cut's out and the car is running lean. Sounds like a simple fix, But I guess the dealership u took it to are really slacking on the job. Sorry to hear about your misfortune, I was really hoping this would get fixed. U did the right thing though I know I would have done the same.

zoom44

rider check your pm's

RX8rider

Thanks Zoom. Priscilla Ls1, basically what's happening now is that the engine is really struggling to accelarate at any speed all across the band. Once I get passed 4k rpm, there's basically no more acceleration. What's also happening now is that it seems like the engine cooling fan goes on everytime I shut the car off. Clearly though, I haven't had any spirited drives. I can't break 4000 rpm for crying out loud! So, I'm not sure if something is malfunctioning with the temp sensors too?!

priscilla ls1

Are you asking me? I'm not a mechanic. But I would first check to see if you are getting a sufficient amount of fuel to the engine, you said you were running lean right. If that is not it check both the spark plugs, sounds like one of them is not putting out much voltage, because you are only getting out half your power. If that is not it check your ignition system, if you have a oscilloscope set it on the roster setting to see both fire simultaneously to check the voltage. I have a hunch that it's the ignition system and about the fan problem, the only thing I can come up with is that there is somthing wrong with the coolent temp switch. You can look for it in the radiator, the coolent temp switch messures the temp in the radiator and turns the fan on when the temp. gets hot. But In some cars the fan will turn on even when the car is off so don't panic if this is happening to you when you turn off your car it's normal, the car is just cooling it's self off.

Spin9k

I'm NOT an expert, but did have a friend w/this symptom w/aftermarket Hi-Flo CAT. CAT was fried and blocked the end pipe 90%. He though everything else was wrong (coils/plugs/compression/ECU/etc) before finally taking the exhaust apart. Zooom...problem solved...but he was very pissed it took him a week of himself & dealers screwing around to discover why.

Think constipation...how fast can you go with that :D up your tailpipe!

BTW NO CELs, NO anything to tell this had happened. I even drove his car, just no ommph. He had to LOOK INSIDE at the CAT core - a major PITA litterally!

zoom44

are you aware that the renesis uses 4 spark plugs?


which 2 plugs are we looking at and how do we get them to fire simultaneously?

priscilla ls1

Sorry about that, well it makes so diff just check all four.

You don't get them to fire simultaneously the oscilloscope does it for you.

RX8rider

Well, after picking my car up after a week sitting at a crappy dealership, I took it to another dealership Wed. night. Apparently they have a lot of customers who have been mistreated by the first dealership who now come to them too. Anyhow, like we've been saying all along, it was the catalytic converter. They replaced it with a new one and my 8 is running great once again. Thanks to all you guys for your advice and input.

priscilla ls1

So it was constipation. :D

Jaguar_MBA

This was a smoke screen. They are not doing this. Dealership GM said he wanted to do this and gave me the name of a person that says "no" for dealership. Basically a way for the dealership to look like a good guy and have someone else say no for them.

Razz1

So are you saying rider was full of crap? LOL got to have a good sense of humor when you have car problems.

There such a PITA