e brake fault
11-07-2006, 01:18 PM
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e brake fault
Ive had my new rx-8 for 2 months. I parked it out side my house which is at an incline. I put on the e brake at ten o clock and checked the alarm was on around 12 before i went to bed. Around 7 the next morning my neighbour called to show me my new car had rolled out my drive the way it came in and hit the wall across the road from me. I ran over to the car and the damage was slight. The car was locked and no sign of forced entry was seen. i got into the car and quickly moved it away from the neighbours house. The car had knocked part of the garden wall down. The car was not in gear when i parked it and if i didnt put the e brake on properly i would be run over getting out of it. Im the only one with a key so it wasnt any one taking it for a drive with out my knowledge.Ive went back to mazda but they say the car is fine! They have told me it will cost 1250euro to replace the back bumper and light. 10 hours work they say. Its a BUMPER not an engine rebuild. They dont seem to care about my problem and never return my calls . Has any one else had this happen to them?
11-07-2006, 01:28 PM
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you didnt have the car in gear- thats parking a manual transmission 101. you had only the inertia of the tranny to stop it from rolling- and with it in neutral that isnt very much to overcome. you should find a wrecked 8 in a junkyard that has a clean bumper or if you cant find one buy a new one. save some money and do the swap youself. learn a little about your car as well. chalk it up as a learning experience.
11-07-2006, 01:38 PM
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well i know now to have it gear and iv'v put body kits on cars so i know it takes approx 1 - 2 hrs at most to replace a bumper but why is mazda saying 10 man hours and i'd expect when spend 42,000 euro on a car sulely the hand brake should work! What happend to a good will gesture towards the repair? They said they couldn't rule out an intermitant fault. Should i have to fit all the bill!
11-07-2006, 02:06 PM
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the hand brake works- but it is not meant for nor is it designed for holding the car on its own.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_brake
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_brake
11-07-2006, 02:31 PM
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well that telling me. Cheers. But again i say i've had no problem like this with any other make of car ive had. I'm only blessed it didn't happen during the day when kids where playing on my road so know i wounder if there are other people like my self who never leave there cars in gear and have never had this problem. Who are now thinking of buying an RX-8 and if this was to happen to them and some one was hurt i'd be devastated i didn't try to raise this issue. Only when you raise an issue can you see if this has happend in the past. Iv'e found 2 others on this site who have had the same problem so far.
11-08-2006, 08:15 AM
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i have read the posts other users have sent about this problem and it seems there is no symphaty for those people. No one seems to think mazda should be even slightly followed up about it. Do we have alot of people who work for mazda on the site or just people who think "mazda right ,owners wrong"
11-08-2006, 10:01 AM
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I don't think it would matter though, even if your parking brake were a little weak. By not putting the car in gear when you parked it, you were relying solely on a device that's designed to be secondary to the transmission's resistance. An analagous claim would be getting into an accident while not wearing your seatbelt, and getting upset at mazda because the airbags didn't prevent you from getting hurt.
I don't want to add insult to injury, but incessantly saying how the result of your incorrect parking procedure is somehow Mazda's fault is just asinine. Besides, it's in the manual.
I don't want to add insult to injury, but incessantly saying how the result of your incorrect parking procedure is somehow Mazda's fault is just asinine. Besides, it's in the manual.
11-08-2006, 10:12 AM
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it happened to me also but was lucky the wheels were turned a little and my car made a perfect turn between the mailbox and sidewalk.it ran over a little bush but no damage at all.i came home pulled up the driveway set the e-brake locked the car when my wife said who's driving your car down the driveway!!! i freeked out and ran out front to see the car still locked up and no one in sight!!!lesson learned i always put it in gear no matter what!good ole saying is when it's an automatic it's safe but a manual will run on or over you ! 
11-08-2006, 11:10 AM
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its not safe to leave the AT in neutral when parking either ! you need to put it in park- there is a pin when placed in the parking gear that prevents the tranny from turning.
i dont work for mazda- i dont care what make/model you put in your original paragraph- you did not follow proper parking procedure. i have no sympathy for you because if someone had got hurt it would have been YOUR NEGLIGENCE that caused their injuries.
Observing your use of euro i suggest posting this same story at http://www.rx8ownersclub.co.uk/forum/ to see if you can get any sympathy from the Brits. Since Europeans in general , and britsspecifically, have a high opinion of their driving superiority vs Americans - especially when it comes to manual transmissions and the use of the hand brake- perhaps you will find them a better audience. In fact since im amember there ill post it for you and return their opinions as well.
i dont work for mazda- i dont care what make/model you put in your original paragraph- you did not follow proper parking procedure. i have no sympathy for you because if someone had got hurt it would have been YOUR NEGLIGENCE that caused their injuries.
Observing your use of euro i suggest posting this same story at http://www.rx8ownersclub.co.uk/forum/ to see if you can get any sympathy from the Brits. Since Europeans in general , and britsspecifically, have a high opinion of their driving superiority vs Americans - especially when it comes to manual transmissions and the use of the hand brake- perhaps you will find them a better audience. In fact since im amember there ill post it for you and return their opinions as well.
11-08-2006, 01:00 PM
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its not safe to leave the AT in neutral when parking either ! you need to put it in park- there is a pin when placed in the parking gear that prevents the tranny from turning.
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11-08-2006, 01:59 PM
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I would question them on the 10 hours. That sounds like crap. Unless they feel they need to paint the bumper to match the car. If so it looks like a good excuse to buy a body kit! 
11-08-2006, 03:18 PM
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It's a parking brake. It's supposed to hold the car still when you're parked.
Automotive proving grounds include a hill of a standard gradient (30%? Been a while, don't remember exactly) for testing parking brakes. Magazines that do good road tests of cars include testing whether the parking brake holds on grades. If one looked, I'd guess that SAE would have a standard.
The safety backup when parking on a steep incline is to turn the front wheels toward (if facing downhill) or away from (if facing uphill) the curb. Leaving a MT car in gear when parked invites inadvertent motion when starting. If you're counting on the transmission to hold the car, what's going to hold it when you step on the clutch to start it? What if someone just hops in and turns the key without stepping on the clutch?
The "P" on an automatic is park. It locks the transmission. It's made to hold the car when parked.
When parking, I put autos in Park and don't use the hand brake. With MT, I use the hand brake and leave the gears in neutral. I have never had a parked car get away from me in over 40 years.
Ken
Automotive proving grounds include a hill of a standard gradient (30%? Been a while, don't remember exactly) for testing parking brakes. Magazines that do good road tests of cars include testing whether the parking brake holds on grades. If one looked, I'd guess that SAE would have a standard.
The safety backup when parking on a steep incline is to turn the front wheels toward (if facing downhill) or away from (if facing uphill) the curb. Leaving a MT car in gear when parked invites inadvertent motion when starting. If you're counting on the transmission to hold the car, what's going to hold it when you step on the clutch to start it? What if someone just hops in and turns the key without stepping on the clutch?
The "P" on an automatic is park. It locks the transmission. It's made to hold the car when parked.
When parking, I put autos in Park and don't use the hand brake. With MT, I use the hand brake and leave the gears in neutral. I have never had a parked car get away from me in over 40 years.
Ken
11-08-2006, 03:27 PM
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well it looks like im well and truely shafted and sympaty. But as you pointed out it is a good excuse to get a body kit. Well thats how i will put it to the girlfriend or i will get all picture and no sound for the next month for needlessly spending more money on the care. Every cloud has a silver lineing!
11-08-2006, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by ken-x8
It's a parking brake. It's supposed to hold the car still when you're parked.
Automotive proving grounds include a hill of a standard gradient (30%? Been a while, don't remember exactly) for testing parking brakes. Magazines that do good road tests of cars include testing whether the parking brake holds on grades. If one looked, I'd guess that SAE would have a standard.
The safety backup when parking on a steep incline is to turn the front wheels toward (if facing downhill) or away from (if facing uphill) the curb. Leaving a MT car in gear when parked invites inadvertent motion when starting. If you're counting on the transmission to hold the car, what's going to hold it when you step on the clutch to start it? What if someone just hops in and turns the key without stepping on the clutch?
The "P" on an automatic is park. It locks the transmission. It's made to hold the car when parked.
When parking, I put autos in Park and don't use the hand brake. With MT, I use the hand brake and leave the gears in neutral. I have never had a parked car get away from me in over 40 years.
Ken
Automotive proving grounds include a hill of a standard gradient (30%? Been a while, don't remember exactly) for testing parking brakes. Magazines that do good road tests of cars include testing whether the parking brake holds on grades. If one looked, I'd guess that SAE would have a standard.
The safety backup when parking on a steep incline is to turn the front wheels toward (if facing downhill) or away from (if facing uphill) the curb. Leaving a MT car in gear when parked invites inadvertent motion when starting. If you're counting on the transmission to hold the car, what's going to hold it when you step on the clutch to start it? What if someone just hops in and turns the key without stepping on the clutch?
The "P" on an automatic is park. It locks the transmission. It's made to hold the car when parked.
When parking, I put autos in Park and don't use the hand brake. With MT, I use the hand brake and leave the gears in neutral. I have never had a parked car get away from me in over 40 years.
Ken
Unfortunately, as much as safety regulations try to idiot-proof cars, there will still be people that ignore manuals and their driving classes in the name of laziness.
11-08-2006, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ken-x8
If you're counting on the transmission to hold the car, what's going to hold it when you step on the clutch to start it?
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11-08-2006, 09:43 PM
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They did not have driver's ed when I was growing up. Back then there were simply not enough gym teachers with holes in their schedules.
The 8 is the only car I've had that requires depressing the clutch to start. But I've driven cars that would not start unless the seat belt is buckled. Also driven cars where you could not turn the headlights off, which was really great for sentries when approaching military base gates at night.
Just because an interlock is government-mandated does not mean it makes sense.
Depressing the clutch as you start a car doesn't do you much good if, after the car starts and you let it up, the car is in gear.
If your 8 floods, and you need to keep your right foot on the accelerator and depress the clutch, and you used the transmission instead of the parking brake when you parked, what is going to prevent the car from rolling away?
It's not laziness or ignoring manuals. It's doing things the way they should be done, not the way specified by some pinhead bureaucrat who never ventured outside the beltway.
Ken
The 8 is the only car I've had that requires depressing the clutch to start. But I've driven cars that would not start unless the seat belt is buckled. Also driven cars where you could not turn the headlights off, which was really great for sentries when approaching military base gates at night.
Just because an interlock is government-mandated does not mean it makes sense.
Depressing the clutch as you start a car doesn't do you much good if, after the car starts and you let it up, the car is in gear.
If your 8 floods, and you need to keep your right foot on the accelerator and depress the clutch, and you used the transmission instead of the parking brake when you parked, what is going to prevent the car from rolling away?
It's not laziness or ignoring manuals. It's doing things the way they should be done, not the way specified by some pinhead bureaucrat who never ventured outside the beltway.
Ken