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gr8rx 05-24-2008 08:56 PM

down on power......grrr
 
well heres the issue, have about 38000 on the clock, of an 04, Im experiencing power issues it seems. The car is hard to start, takes several cranks to get her going, once she's going and warmed up if I floor it, around 3000 rpm's it seems like the car bogs, serious bog, like theres a goffer in the intake tract, then starts to pull better around 5000rpm, but still not what im used to....I thought I might need new plugs since its about that time according to the manual I believe, so I pulled the old ones and put some new ones in......same prob....it almost feels as if Im running on only one rotor....could this be a coil issue? I was thinking that it could possibly be a coil issue/plug issue because of the hard starts.....but no change with the new plugs.....opinions/thoughts?..........oh yeah, and no cells

fahrfegneugen 05-24-2008 09:23 PM

Does it get worse when it is warm, could be the cat, seems like about the right mileage for that. Doesn't really explain the hard to start though, but you have had no check engine light, so maybe.

swoope 05-24-2008 09:28 PM

have you ever flooded? first guess it the cat. second it coils.

beers :beer:



Originally Posted by gr8rx (Post 2479055)
well heres the issue, have about 38000 on the clock, of an 04, Im experiencing power issues it seems. The car is hard to start, takes several cranks to get her going, once she's going and warmed up if I floor it, around 3000 rpm's it seems like the car bogs, serious bog, like theres a goffer in the intake tract, then starts to pull better around 5000rpm, but still not what im used to....I thought I might need new plugs since its about that time according to the manual I believe, so I pulled the old ones and put some new ones in......same prob....it almost feels as if Im running on only one rotor....could this be a coil issue? I was thinking that it could possibly be a coil issue/plug issue because of the hard starts.....but no change with the new plugs.....opinions/thoughts?..........oh yeah, and no cells


gr8rx 05-24-2008 09:54 PM


Originally Posted by swoope (Post 2479079)
have you ever flooded? first guess it the cat. second it coils.

beers :beer:



yeah, its flooded several times, if it was the cat wouldnt I get a cell? I have a mazsport ign solution on the way so that should take care of the coils if thats it I would think

fahrfegneugen 05-24-2008 10:01 PM

you would not get a CEL with a bad cat necessarily, you can drive it hard and check if the cat is glowing red.

swoope 05-24-2008 10:47 PM


Originally Posted by gr8rx (Post 2479105)
yeah, its flooded several times, if it was the cat wouldnt I get a cell? I have a mazsport ign solution on the way so that should take care of the coils if thats it I would think


flooding kills the cat. a tsb is out for that..

when the cat fails you may or may not get a cel..

beers :beer:

gr8rx 05-24-2008 10:54 PM

hmmm, so the cat could cause the bogging huh? and the lack of power, that makes sense if it becomes a restriction.....maybe I'll just buy a supercat, they dont throw cells do they?

swoope 05-24-2008 11:08 PM


Originally Posted by gr8rx (Post 2479169)
hmmm, so the cat could cause the bogging huh? and the lack of power, that makes sense if it becomes a restriction.....maybe I'll just buy a supercat, they dont throw cells do they?

find the problem first.. or you are just pissing away money..

pull the cat, look inside. pretty easy..


beers :beer:

fahrfegneugen 05-24-2008 11:28 PM

Your cat is under warranty 8/80 and your power train too. Dealer should diagnose it for free.

ja9^ 05-26-2008 12:01 AM

If the cat is glowing red after driving (hard) does that mean its gone? because I've seen that on mine several times, also had id checked at the dealer but they told me it was ok, they looked inside and found no problems.

? :)

Easy_E1 05-26-2008 12:21 AM

Dealers test from what I understand only reads the flow at about 4000 rpm. It will not cover high end flow of the cat.

If it's glowing it's going.

nycgps 05-26-2008 12:28 AM


Originally Posted by fahrfegneugen (Post 2479197)
Your cat is under warranty 8/80 and your power train too. Dealer should diagnose it for free.

PT warranty is 60K miles / 60 months, whichever comes first.

fahrfegneugen 05-26-2008 01:27 AM

Yeah I know, I wrote that wrong :banghead:

invasion08 05-26-2008 06:38 AM

Check out this thread https://www.rx8club.com/ne-rx-8-forum-29/zoom-cleaner-decarb-dealer-results-146764/ . Very nice outcome with the mazda engine cleaner

gr8rx 05-28-2008 01:14 AM

replaced the coils with the mazsport ign upgrade, looked at the old coils and they had burn marks, new coils in and everything back to normal........aka...bad coils


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