bureau13

Actually, you're almost right. A lot of people believe this, yes, but it has nothing to do with prior experience in most cases. A lot of people believe it because a lot of other people said it, or know someone who said it, or was descended from someone who came down from a mountain with "NO SYNTHETIC" written on a stone tablet. When I was trying to decide for myself what to put in my ex (3rd gen) I found only ONE person who actually had a motor blow after using synthetic and found "deposits" on tear-down...and even that taken on its own is hardly damning evidence of anything. I know far more people who said to hell with the rumors and use synthetic in their rotaries, and they've been running strong ever since...they're usually just too smart to bother jumping into the ongoing and never-ending argument. Which reminds me...WTF and I doing, I should know better! :D

jds

NomisR

Well, the thing is, 5w-20 are semi sythetic blend as is in order to create that weight, I don't think it would make any more difference to use a full sythetic vs a semi (i'm not sure if it's the right word). Eitherway, the lack of testing for full sythetics was most likely due to cost reasons of Mazda up top does not want to spend extra on testing with it.

bryrx804

well no car company has tested it.. to began with no car requres sythentic.. ?

crossbow

Tell that to VW, BMW, and Mercedes...all companies slapped with class action lawsuits cause they didn't firmly say "synthetics required" for their insane extended OCI's (oil change intervals).

Especially in the 1.8T's, if you run dino for 5k...your gonna get turbo tuds from the dino oil being obliterated by the turbo temps. Enough chunks of sludge in the turbo line, bam there goes the turbo.

Ninja

I don't believe that is completely the issue. I can't remember where... Europe maybe? Mazda recommends synthetic, and I believe the Mazda shops will use it on a standard oil change. Keep in mind that in Europe, the requirements are different than here in the states for a company to label an oil as "synthetic".

{Opinion}
I believe it is simply a matter of Mazda believing there MIGHT be an issue for some "Synthetic" labeled oils here in the US. I believe they know there are some synthetics here that are safe, they just don't want to promote one or more brands. If you do a search for Synthetic Oil you'll find LOTS of threads and thread entries where people are using synthetic right now with no issues.

Rather than get into the business of "certifying" or recommending some brands against others, Mazda has chosen to be deliberately ambiguous.
{/Opinion}

If you do the due diligence and search all the threads discussing synthetic oil, you'll see that EVERY TIME someone has contacted Mazda North America Operations about clarification re: synthetic oil, their position has NOT been to exclude synthetic oil. Instead they choose to restate your vehicle oil requirements and say they are not RECOMMENDING it. They have NEVER to my knowledge said "DON'T USE IT!!!". Note, that I'm not talking about what some mechanic at your local Mazda dealer told you, because they are kept in the dark about intentions just about as much as us users.

Personally, I'm thinking pretty seriously about switching to synthetic after I have about 5-6 K miles. But I'm not RECOMMENDING it to anyone.

NomisR

Actually I know Evo requires Sythetics.

Cam

iTrader: (1)

Once my engine is broken in Im going to change to full syn.

I received this email from Redline Oil today.

I received the following response from Dave at Redline oil.

"Chris,

We recommend and use our products in rotary engines once the engine has been allowed to brake-in. We have used products extensively from the beginning in the rotary engines with very good results. "

Regards, Dave
Red Line Oil

Jazper

Chris,

I wouldn't trust any company that says "brake-in!" First they need to learn to say, "break-in." :-)

Jazper!

Stone

Ok I have read all the posts but can't fine the answer to my question. Why dosn't Mazda recomend synthetic motor oil for the rotary? I was looking at diffrent sythetics online (mobil 1, amsiol, royal purple ect) and some of the sites (Mobil) even said not recomented for Mazda rotary. But why? Dose anyone know a Mazda mole willing to tell us why Mazda says this, whats the harm, they have to know something, I mean for the love of god no other car companys says don't use it, some even ship from the factory with it already in the car.

w2aew

It is probably because the rotary has oil injected into the combustion chamber, and gets burned off along with the fuel/air mixture. Since one can't generally predict the formulation of synthetic oil, then you can't generally predict how it will burn. While many people have had good luck with synthetics, Mazda probably won't make a general statement about synthetics because of the uncertainty of formulation. Dino oils are more predictable. I am sure that there are many synthetic brands that work fine in the Renesis...

Stone

I thougth it might be they were afraid the synthetic wouldn;t fully burn and over time might collect and gunk up the catalictic converted, or even pool in the mufflers, I know sunthetics have a very high burning point.

MELRX8

MNAO told me that since Mazda has not tested synthetic oils in the rotary engine they recommends against it.

Stone

Whats got me puzzled is why wouldn't they test with a synthetic, its their flag ship sports car, and has a high preformance engine built and spin up to 9000rpm. Thats senthetic territory.

Genesis

It's all conjecture...just use cheaper mineral based oil relevant to where you live (in terms of oil weight), check it after every second or third gas fill-up and top up the oil when necessary, change the oil/filter more often than your previous piston engine car (ie. change every 2000 to 3000 miles vs. every 5000 miles), and enjoy the 8 It's so easy.....isn't that a song?

ZoomZoomH

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oh good gracious, not ANOTHER oil thread.....

MELRX8

Stone, I agree with your comments. I've used Mobil ! in every car I"ve had since 1977. I too felt it was ideal for the RX-8 which is why I questioned MNAO about it. It is frustrating!

Mike Z

I've been using Royal Purple 5w30 in the engine for quite awhile, 75w90 in the trans & diff.

It works great, the engine is smooth, burns a little less oil than dino. My trans shifts like silk and when idling with the car in netural the trans is quiet, compared to the stock gear oil, my diff hops a little less on kick *** starts so, I sleep well at night knowing I've given my 8 the best of care. :D

The motor oil is API, SL GF-3 rated, just what Mazda requires in a motor oil and the gear oil is GF-4 & GF-5 rated with a limited slip diff additive built into the oil.

Royal Purple is also recommended by Racing Beat and their engineers as being a good synthetic for the RX-8 and have dynoed the oil in a RX-8, only to be surprised to see that it actually gives more HP!!

So, take it from there...........Mike Z

Nubo

But it's so much fun! :D

velocityredRX-8

Pep boys is having this huge sale where is you buy a calender for one dollar, you can get coupons valid for three free mobil 1 quarts with the purchase of three. With the rants of synthetic running in your car, I want to know if it's safe to run mobil 1 synthetic?

Charles R. Hill

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Yes.

bean438

If the oil has the API certified for gasoline engines, and the API service SL/energy conserving label on it, then it if ok to use in your car.
This is the only requirement for oil mentioned in the owners manual.
The warranty booklet says you must use fluids specified in the owners manual to maintain warranty.
Synthetic/conventional are not mentioned either way, good or bad.

Baller

Yes it is fine, but some people in here do not agree.
I use Mobil 1 0w40 and always have.
Some people also say to mix a little Zaino with regular oil and it will make the inside of the engine shine.
There are a lot of people in here that don't know what a muffler bearing is.

bean438

Wether people in here agree or disagree is not rellevent.
What the owners manual says is.
So and so's brother's sister who is dating a guy who fixes rotary engines said that........
Just because someone on the internet says something does not make it right or wrong.
When in doubt follow the owners manual.
If synthetic was a no no it would be spelled out clearly.
I do happen to know what muffler bearings are. I used to think they were to keep the muffler quiet, but as I got smarter I learned that they are used as a spacer if your bolts are too short and you don't own a bolt stretcher.
I would never mix Zaino with motor oil, Mguires nxt wax makes a shinier engine!

velocityredRX-8

What about using mobil 1 0w20? On the carton it says to use 0w20 if you use 5w20 for your car

bean438

In theory it should work. 0w20 starts off as a 20 weight oil and then mimicks a 20 weight when hot.
A search of the oildrop forums and hundreds of people will tell you its ok. But again its a lot of "my brothers, sisters neighbor said that....
If you are using a 5w20 dynthetic then a 0w29 synthetic will really make no difference. The lower pour point of the 0w20 and 5w20 are both lower than any cold temp you will encounter.
Some say (brothers sisters aunt) you can use 5w30 in place of 5w20.
Nowhere on the API website does it say to substitute. It says follow your owners manual.
Bottom line" fo;;ow the owners manual. API SL 5w20.