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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 04:34 PM
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had mazda do a comp test ... they said it was fine but wanted to get another opinion

04 w/82k (manuel)
R1=292 rpm 7.2 6.9 6.2
R2=271rpm 7.9 7.7 7.6
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lvis
had mazda do a comp test ... they said it was fine but wanted to get another opinion

04 w/82k (manuel)
R1=292 rpm 7.2 6.9 6.2
R2=271rpm 7.9 7.7 7.6
I definitely may be wrong but isn't that more borderline than fine?
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by geoffbarne
I definitely may be wrong but isn't that more borderline than fine?
thats what i wanted to know, the rep said anything from 5-8 is fine
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 05:33 PM
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Anything from 5-8??
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 05:36 PM
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5 is fine with a supersonic cranking speed of 300rpms? no, but maybe you misunderstood him.

maybe that is their standard but i would be a little bit concerned that you have a full point difference on the one rotor between faces. that seems borderline low even for average cranking speeds to me(most crank around or slightly below 250rpms).

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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 06:23 PM
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5 is fine with a supersonic cranking speed of 300rpms? no, but maybe you misunderstood him.

maybe that is their standard but i would be a little bit concerned that you have a full point difference on the one rotor between faces. that seems borderline low even for average cranking speeds to me(most crank around or slightly below 250rpms).
i thought it was mabye because of the rpm difference ....something to worry about?
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 06:30 PM
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cranking speed shouldn't vary all that much so i would assume that one rotor face is having some issues.
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 06:42 PM
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Old Apr 18, 2013 | 08:16 PM
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ill be happy if im good for a few years.. hope it dont become an issue
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 02:58 PM
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6.2 on the front rotor is way below spec even at 250 RPM

6.9 is minimum @250 RPM.

@292 minimum is 7.6, standard is 9.2

you are at 6.2...

That front housing is all but blown.

The rear is borderline.
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Old Apr 19, 2013 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
6.2 on the front rotor is way below spec even at 250 RPM

6.9 is minimum @250 RPM.

@292 minimum is 7.6, standard is 9.2

you are at 6.2...

That front housing is all but blown.

The rear is borderline.
is it even worth tunning with cobb? how long till i have problems where a rebuild would be necessary?
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is it even worth tunning with cobb? how long till i have problems where a rebuild would be necessary?
If you had a broken leg would you sign up for marathon?
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At that 292RPM your front is completely gone, and your rear is not strong at 272RPM (passing but low), see the numbers below and attached diagram.

Factory Specs:
Standard @ 250RPM: 8.5kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 250RPM: 6.9kgf/cm2
Standard difference in chambers: within 1.5kgf/cm2
Standard difference in rotors: within 1.0kgf/cm2

Front Specs you should have:

Standard @ 292RPM: 9.2kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 292RPM: 7.5kgf/cm2

Rear Specs you should have:
Standard @ 271RPM: 8.7kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 271RPM: 7.2kgf/cm2
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 10:37 PM
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At that 292RPM your front is completely gone, and your rear is not strong at 272RPM (passing but low), see the numbers below and attached diagram.

Factory Specs:
Standard @ 250RPM: 8.5kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 250RPM: 6.9kgf/cm2
Standard difference in chambers: within 1.5kgf/cm2
Standard difference in rotors: within 1.0kgf/cm2

Front Specs you should have:

Standard @ 292RPM: 9.2kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 292RPM: 7.5kgf/cm2

Rear Specs you should have:
Standard @ 271RPM: 8.7kgf/cm2
Minimum @ 271RPM: 7.2kgf/cm2
You didnt read my post huh...
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 10:38 PM
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that sucks... im not noticing any issues so i guess when i start having them ill get a rebuild.. Possible a bad pump or coils can give bad readings? it has a gutted cat, new spark plugs n wires w premix

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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 10:46 PM
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that sucks... im not noticing any issues so i guess when i start having them ill get a rebuild.. Possible a bad pump or coils can give bad readings? it has a gutted cat, new spark plugs n wires w premix
No...

Get it rebuilt now before you pop an apex seal which could end up setting you back an extra $2000.
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 11:07 PM
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rebuild questions

There are 3 different shops that mainly deal with rx7's by me and im looking for a rebuild on my 04'. My question is i really dont know the experience these shops have rebuilding out motors..... Is rebuilding a 7 motor similar to ours? If there good at the rx7 rebuilds would that make them qualified to rebuild out motors? I wouldnt mind sending my motor to be built but then i have to pay for the labor of someone removing it and installing it so financially it might not be worth it (im not that mechanically inclined to remove the motor and install a new one)
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 11:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
You didnt read my post huh...
Haha oops, usually his threads contain people telling him to search
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 11:30 PM
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This thread was inevitable *sigh*

Also why start a new thread? why not just add a post to your existing thread here
https://www.rx8club.com/tech-garage-...1/#post4461502

Im sure they can rebuild the engine for you, remember a cheap rebuild is like a bottle of stop leak its a waste of money and wont last long.

With that in mind there are only a slight handful of reputable shops I would ever let touch my engine and for that your pay for it. It all depends on how deep your pockets go. For that matter everything about our cars require deep pockets and patience.

My recomendations

Pettit
Pineapple
RR
MM

If you can't afford to do it right, then just don't do it.

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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 11:32 PM
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Anyone can pull a motor with basic hand tools, and instructions. Try attempting it, only way to become more mechanically inclined is applying yourself. And it will save you a lot of cash in the process

For builders find a highly regarded one. personally use Pineapple Racing but have heard great things about Pettit, And others
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Old Apr 22, 2013 | 11:33 PM
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If your unwilling to pull your own motor RR is your best bet.
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 12:22 AM
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troll never learn ... *sigh*
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by shadycrew31
If you had a broken leg would you sign up for marathon?

it actually DID happen ...

not me tho, never had a broken leg before
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.Mango
Haha oops, usually his threads contain people telling him to search
LOL I was in a nice mood...

I'm guessing his next thread will read, "car is not starting after car hesitated and lost all power"
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Old Apr 23, 2013 | 01:58 AM
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Close shady,

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discuss...stions-245289/
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