CarAndDriver

I came across a mention of FP60 on here and then went to Bobistheoilguy and saw that both these products got good mention.
http://www.lubecontrol.com/fuel.htm (Company Website)

It looks like FP60 is a low hassle and effective way to prevent the nasty carbon and junky buildup that can clog our rotaries. You just add 1oz to every 5 gallons of gas.

Sounds like FP60 is the way to go with very positive reviews. LC20 is a bit iffier.

Anyone have any experiences with either or both products? Good/bad?

Thanks!

Jax_RX8

I started using FP60 a few months back and have been very impressed. It seems to clean very well and helps the MPG some (supposed to support more complete combustion). I will continue to use in all of my vehicles. I also use BG44k every 7500 miles as a good occasional (every 7500 miles) strong cleaner.

In case you have not heard, Lube Control is also coming out with FP3000, which is supposed to be an even better cleaner that is bio-degradable and provides Upper Cylinder Lubrication (UCL) as well. FP3000 is in pre-order now with shipping in December. I will continue to use FP60 until I use all of mine up and then will switch to FP3000 later this year.

I have not tried the LC20 as I use BG MOA (Motor Oil Additive) instead and am a fan of BG products in general. BG is very secretive about exactly what is in MOA, but it has great cleaners, antioxidants, and extra lubrication elements such as ZDDP and Moly. I am using MOA in several vehicles and am amazed at how much it just quiets them all down - much less valvetrain/engine noise in general. In one of my other cars (Ford Expedition), I was running M1 only and the valvetrain was starting to get a little noisy - especially when cold. I went back to a dino oil and started adding MOA and the Expedition is quiet as a mouse now, even when cold - has never run/sounded better. Don't know exactly what it is about it that makes it work so well, but I'm impressed.

mysql101

I bought a gallon of FP60 yesterday. Came to $44 with shipping.

Hopefully it's as good as everyone says.

CarAndDriver

Please let me know what your opinion is. Thanks!

CarAndDriver

After reading reviews and posts on Bob is the Oil Guy forum, I ordered a gallon of FP60 for $33 plus $9.38 shipping to NorCal.

Now I will have to go find a clear plastic squeeze measuring bottle/dispenser.

I hope it will increase my mileage, reduce and prevent buildup, and all the other benefits touted.

Old Rotor

I'm useing Chevron-Tectron to try to clean carbon out and stop pinging. Now I have to run prem to stop it from MIAC(Marbles In A Can). Where as the first 20k it never did. If no help Im going for the FP60 next. Would you think one can would be enough?

shaunv74

Hmm. That doesn't sound right. Is your car modified or tuned in any way? If it's stock then I think there is something wrong. I have been running 89 for a year now with no problems and the manual says it will run fine on 89.

BTW- Thanks for the opportunity to post my 200th!

mysql101

some people find their car runs fine on 89, others report issues. It's been this way since the car first came out. Mine ran fine on 89, but I can't do it anymore because of the turbo.

I get my FP60 tomorrow btw

Jax_RX8

This is what you need - it holds about 5 oz max and at the FP60 rate of 1oz per 5 gallons, you need about 2.5-3 oz per fillup. This is only $1 at Autozone and is a type 2 container (throw away the cheap stuff within) that is needed.

(Borrowed Picture - thanks)

Old Rotor

I am pure stock, and Mazda did all my servicing as I was a pre-order-free-service. I have had dino-oil and filter changed every 3k and all TSB as needed. I told the service writer and he had the mechanic talk to me. He said use prem-91. If I do it dose not MIAC for me. I feel the rich-fuel-mix to save the emissions has carboned-uped me to the point of pinging after 20k miles and I will try to see if anything will help clean it out. I might be waisting money as it might be too late at this time to save it?

CarAndDriver

It sounds like FP60 pretty much does what premixing does as well as a host of other things.

The Bob oil forums have nothing but praise for it. I read a post that someone said that they used Chevron Techron regularly and they opened up the engine and there were still carbon deposits. That poster said they thought that maybe that the recommended usage isn't really enough to get rid of deposits.

CarAndDriver

I was thinking of some leakproof camping HDPE style squeeze bottles.

Jax_RX8

Make sure it has the number "2" inside a triangle on the bottom designating the type of material that the container is made with. FP60 has some solvents in it that will melt plastics that are not type 2 or better.

Jax_RX8

My thoughts exactly - FP60 has the lubrication benefits of premixing while having very good cleaners and fuel stabilization da boot.

StealthTL

iTrader: (1)

Some of these additives sound "useful", but beware of anything that claims to give the engine a dose of heavy metals (zinc or moly) - the Renesis has to burn that stuff, and those metals will poison the cat.

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CarAndDriver

Thanks. Was looking at HDPE 2 bottles.

CarAndDriver

Finally got around to throwing my first FP60 into my gas tank. We'll see how it goes. Will report back.

Jax_RX8

I am very impressed with the FP60. I have now been running it in 3 different vehicles (gas, diesel, rotary) and all 3 running and idling significantly smoother. It also seems to have reduced engine noise some in each as well.

Because of these great results, I have also switched oil additives (from BG MOA) to LC20 and have noticed a difference here as well. First thing you will notice is your oil gets dirtier while this stuff cleans your engine the first time you run it (suspends the carbon in your oil). It also had great lubricity as well and seems to keep the engine just as quiet as the BG MOA did for me, at much less expense.

CarAndDriver

So I have gone through a couple tanks with FP60 in it and it seems to make the engine a bit smoother from idle to revving. The better fuel economy has yet to really show up yet. Not sure if it is going to take some time or just my particular driving with those fillups.

mysql101

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It looks like the primary difference between this and FP60 is that this is a UCL.

Jax_RX8

I ordered a gallon of the FP3000 today. I plan to use this in my 8 from now on because is has all the benefits of FP60 plus is a better Upper Cylinder Lubricant (UCL), burns cleaner, and is made from renewable resources (whatever they are?).

While FP60 has good lubrication qualities, FP3000 is supposed to have even better lubrication properties - enough to be classified as a full UCL.

I will continue to use FP60 in my other vehicles as it is cheaper and they don't really need as much UCL as a rotary.

Galen Darkmoon

FP60 Great product JAX. After running only 1 tank thru I can see a reduction of at least 50% less carbon in and on the tailpipe. THX for the insight. BTW below is a sweet little dispenser I came across, dispenses in half oz. shots and no mess.