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03-06-2006, 08:50 PM
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Another Oil Post
I am sorry, but my RX-8 has about 15000 miles on it. I live in a slightly colder climate.... VA. I dont understand why Mazda seems to either be ignoring the problem and then covering up. They try to put a plastic dipstick in, like I'm just going to think everythings fixed. I havent had many dealer problems, but I'm not retarded. It all started when one morning, I fired up the car, and it started, but immediatly died. When it went to turn off it backfired. So it gets towed in to the dealer. They right it up as a starting issues, and driver error. ITS A FREAKIN' AUTOMATIC! WHAT IS THERE TO STARTING IT OTHER THAN TURNING THE **** KEY! So, I let it slide. Now, I have oil isssues. The oil is milky, which leads to moisture. Some other people, including myself, believe that I'm getting fuel in my oil since the oil smells of gas. Also, further elaborating on this, I talked to one guy who said he thinks that the fuel pump runs a tick after the engine is shut off, injecting fuel in the chamber. He on occasion has to pull the fuse to his fuel pump, crank the engine a couple of times just to start it. His car floods. I just dont want to settle with a cover up and five years down the road, come to find out I have huge issues outside of warranty work. I love this car, so I'm fighting Mazda every step of the way. To be honest, I'm hoping they buy it back so I can start with a clean slate. Right now, all their saying is that they are willing to extend my drivetrain warranty... NOT GOOD ENOUGH! WHY CANT THEY FIX IT 
So what do you all think of my situation... I'm a little angry but honestly I dont have anything against my dealer and I love the car.
So what do you all think of my situation... I'm a little angry but honestly I dont have anything against my dealer and I love the car.
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03-06-2006, 09:06 PM
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As far as the start up issues, I recently had to take my 8 in for service due to hard starting or no start at all, they installed an upgraded starter, battery, and new plugs. All is well now. Now the oil issue, the milky oil is okay according to Mazda...apparently it is only milky on the dipstick and that it won't harm the engine at all. I brought mine in for oil thing and they put in a new updated dipstick, it has airation holes drilled in it, I have not had the problem since...even in the cold weather. Sorry, you are having trouble with yours though.
03-06-2006, 09:42 PM
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you guys are just making rx8 owners look foolish, basing opinions simply from a DIPSTICK. how about actually DRAIN SOME OIL out of the oil pan and get an OIL ANALYSIS to get FACTUAL results, if you are actually SCARED of some foam on the dipstick.... sheeeesh
we really need like an entrance test of some sort so only people with COMMON SENSE should own this car....
we really need like an entrance test of some sort so only people with COMMON SENSE should own this car....
03-07-2006, 12:50 AM
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Wow, tough crowd.
They only have 4 posts, so maybe cut some slack folks.
LBDboater -- the milky oil on the dipstick is a known issue and is NOT an indication of mechanical trouble, excessive fuel, or excessive water in the oil. It's just a result of the placement of the dipstick tube which allows some water (and there is ALWAYS moisture in a gasoline engine) to condense right there on the dipstick where it emulsifies with the small amount of oil there. The plastic insert is meant to help reduce the situation by providing insulation and reducing the airspace in question. The markings on the new dipstick are calibration marks, not "aeration holes".
You can find the relevant Technical Service Bulletins here
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...ins_index.html
These 2 will interest you:
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...09-05-1450.pdf
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...7-04-1438b.pdf
As far as the other, if you had a flooding incident there might be some gas in the oil. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have an oil change.
Does your friend own an RX8? It is not necessary to pull the fuel pump fuse. If the car is flooded you can turn off the flow of gas by holding the gas pedal all the way down while cranking. The procedure to recover from a flood is in your owner's guide.
If you have further flooding issues you should insist on the battery/starter/plugs fix that is discussed frequently.
They only have 4 posts, so maybe cut some slack folks.
LBDboater -- the milky oil on the dipstick is a known issue and is NOT an indication of mechanical trouble, excessive fuel, or excessive water in the oil. It's just a result of the placement of the dipstick tube which allows some water (and there is ALWAYS moisture in a gasoline engine) to condense right there on the dipstick where it emulsifies with the small amount of oil there. The plastic insert is meant to help reduce the situation by providing insulation and reducing the airspace in question. The markings on the new dipstick are calibration marks, not "aeration holes".
You can find the relevant Technical Service Bulletins here
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...ins_index.html
These 2 will interest you:
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...09-05-1450.pdf
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...7-04-1438b.pdf
As far as the other, if you had a flooding incident there might be some gas in the oil. It wouldn't be a bad idea to have an oil change.
Does your friend own an RX8? It is not necessary to pull the fuel pump fuse. If the car is flooded you can turn off the flow of gas by holding the gas pedal all the way down while cranking. The procedure to recover from a flood is in your owner's guide.
If you have further flooding issues you should insist on the battery/starter/plugs fix that is discussed frequently.
03-07-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Nubo
Wow, tough crowd.
They only have 4 posts, so maybe cut some slack folks.
They only have 4 posts, so maybe cut some slack folks.
It wasn't the number of posts. It was their content.
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Sorry
I guess I should say I'm sorry just like I did in all the other forums. I think I could possibly understand the problem better. I called the dealer and they said they would replace the battery/starter/plugs. Thats a plus. As I said I love this car. For some reason, I feel like I dont know as much as you guys... but I understand the generals. How would you like it if you were slighty misinformed or even a little unknowledged and immediatly made to believe your in idiot on a forum? Im not preaching but I just needed to vent, just like everyone else has! 
03-07-2006, 06:59 PM
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No apology needed.
This is the kind of car you really need to educate yourself about before you buy one. But in reality that's probably not likely with alot of owners. I did alot of research before I even began looking at the 8. I knew all about the rotary engine and it's little quirks. When people know very little about something they buy they immediatly panic when a problem arises, but that's typical.
Hell the saleman that sold me the car mentioned nothing about the car having a rotary engine at all. And when I started asking him questions he was very evasive and it appeared he knew very little about the product he was selling.
The best way to learn is to read the sticky's in each section and educate yourself alittle about the car. It does take a little more TLC than your average piston engine car. But that's one of the things I love about it. Now just take a deap breath, relax and enjoy this unique ride.
My 8 has a little over 10,000 miles and not a single problem. Other than the occasional brake squeal.
This is the kind of car you really need to educate yourself about before you buy one. But in reality that's probably not likely with alot of owners. I did alot of research before I even began looking at the 8. I knew all about the rotary engine and it's little quirks. When people know very little about something they buy they immediatly panic when a problem arises, but that's typical.
Hell the saleman that sold me the car mentioned nothing about the car having a rotary engine at all. And when I started asking him questions he was very evasive and it appeared he knew very little about the product he was selling.
The best way to learn is to read the sticky's in each section and educate yourself alittle about the car. It does take a little more TLC than your average piston engine car. But that's one of the things I love about it. Now just take a deap breath, relax and enjoy this unique ride.
My 8 has a little over 10,000 miles and not a single problem. Other than the occasional brake squeal.
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Oil analysis
LBDboater ,
email me at jeff@oilteclab.com .
I will send you an oil analysis kit and you can take a sample and send it back to the lab I work at (all for free) and I will get the analysis done and send you the results. It's your one freebie. It will put your fears to rest. We do all the analysis for northern Minnesota Iron Ore mines, credibility assured since 1969.
Additionally, follow the shutdown procedure i.e. rev to 3k for 10 seconds then cut the key and let it wind down. You won't have these start problems. If you have the latest flash, you shouln't be having flooding problems anyway. I find my 04MT RX8 does have a bit higher fuel dilution in the oil than other gassers but at 2.2% max. its no problem.
Rev to 9k each time out, most problems won't be a problem then.
Drive on, many gasser have milky looking oil sometimes but it minor condensation.......short trips don't help. ?? unless you are truely burning coolant but then the analysis will tell. .5 to 1 % coolant in your oil can soon lead to bearing failure. We sadly see it often, after its to late. Also diesel fuel dilution on the big CAT motors can be a killer. 16 cylinders and 2500 HP with a Quad turbo can often lead to problems. That's why they sample weekly most all the engines etc.
E-mail me.
www.oilteclab.com
Great,
Jeff B.
email me at jeff@oilteclab.com .
I will send you an oil analysis kit and you can take a sample and send it back to the lab I work at (all for free) and I will get the analysis done and send you the results. It's your one freebie. It will put your fears to rest. We do all the analysis for northern Minnesota Iron Ore mines, credibility assured since 1969.
Additionally, follow the shutdown procedure i.e. rev to 3k for 10 seconds then cut the key and let it wind down. You won't have these start problems. If you have the latest flash, you shouln't be having flooding problems anyway. I find my 04MT RX8 does have a bit higher fuel dilution in the oil than other gassers but at 2.2% max. its no problem.
Rev to 9k each time out, most problems won't be a problem then.
Drive on, many gasser have milky looking oil sometimes but it minor condensation.......short trips don't help. ?? unless you are truely burning coolant but then the analysis will tell. .5 to 1 % coolant in your oil can soon lead to bearing failure. We sadly see it often, after its to late. Also diesel fuel dilution on the big CAT motors can be a killer. 16 cylinders and 2500 HP with a Quad turbo can often lead to problems. That's why they sample weekly most all the engines etc.
E-mail me.
www.oilteclab.com
Great,
Jeff B.
