6 to 4 shifting question
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6 to 4 shifting question
I have been practicing my 6 to 4 shift to pass people on the highway. At first it wasn't working, but now I can get it to work most of the time. The more I do it, the more it seams easier to do so it got me thinking. Am I breaking-in some part in the transmission by doing this? Is this a bad thing to do?
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what i do if i really want to pass is get my line set and shift to 4th to bring the rpms up. then i hold it there and wait for the opening to start to appear(i.e. they start to change lanes to GET THE HELL OUT OF MY WAY!!) as soon as it's clear i drop it to 3rd and mash the gas. this is waaayyyyy fun!!
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Originally posted by FONZIE
Then what part of the transmission am I breaking-in that makes shifting from 6 to 4 easier with time?
Then what part of the transmission am I breaking-in that makes shifting from 6 to 4 easier with time?
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Your both correct. The sycros slightly wear to mesh better and byt the nature of the beast the more you drive the 8 the easier it is to shift.
zoom44 - you hit the nail on the head, 4th hold it - Accord finally gets the hint - shift 3rd "beep", 4th "beep", 6th and coast back down to crusing speed. Too much fun to be legal!! Wait - it's not legal cause you just hit 115 before shifting to fifth.
zoom44 - you hit the nail on the head, 4th hold it - Accord finally gets the hint - shift 3rd "beep", 4th "beep", 6th and coast back down to crusing speed. Too much fun to be legal!! Wait - it's not legal cause you just hit 115 before shifting to fifth.
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Unless your average fast lane highway cruising speed is 85... then that third gear thing... well, it doesn't quite work out.
We all know that sometimes an Accord going 85 in front of us is too slow!
We all know that sometimes an Accord going 85 in front of us is too slow!
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hehehe yeah i forgot to mention the "to the beep" part and once i am going as fast as traffic allows i shift to 6th ,skipping 5th, and just coast back to legal speeds. it is so much fun i'm going to go out for a drive now!
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Originally posted by robertdot
Unless your average fast lane highway cruising speed is 85... then that third gear thing... well, it doesn't quite work out.
We all know that sometimes an Accord going 85 in front of us is too slow!
Unless your average fast lane highway cruising speed is 85... then that third gear thing... well, it doesn't quite work out.
We all know that sometimes an Accord going 85 in front of us is too slow!
On another note, I am seeing more and more 8s. I am probably seeing 2 a week the last several weeks.
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Linger......
Oh, please remember to linger at the neutral position, so the shifter lines up nicely between '3&4', otherwise you risk the dreaded '6to2' shift......
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Re: Linger......
Originally posted by StealthTL
Oh, please remember to linger at the neutral position, so the shifter lines up nicely between '3&4', otherwise you risk the dreaded '6to2' shift......
....been there too often, got the T-shirt.....
S
Oh, please remember to linger at the neutral position, so the shifter lines up nicely between '3&4', otherwise you risk the dreaded '6to2' shift......
....been there too often, got the T-shirt.....
S
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Re: Re: Linger......
Originally posted by lafrad
At least I did that in the demo car, not mine..... sales guy next to me panic'd for a moment, but then went on to tell me how nicely the whole car handled an over-rev to 12K and a "reverse drift" on the hiway at 70 mph.. :-P
At least I did that in the demo car, not mine..... sales guy next to me panic'd for a moment, but then went on to tell me how nicely the whole car handled an over-rev to 12K and a "reverse drift" on the hiway at 70 mph.. :-P
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Is everyone here doing a straight 6 -> 4 shift?
cluch in, 6 -> N -> 4, cluch out
Or are people going to 4 through 5?
cluch in, 6 -> N-> 5-> N -> 4, cluch out
I found when I was first learing the car that it was very dificult to do a 6->4 shift directly (syncros would have to work VERY hard). A friend recomended going through 5th. Although this takes a little extra time, the lay shaft gets accelerated by the syncros in two much easier stages and seems to be much happier. I haven't tried a straight 6->4 shift in a while tho, so perhaps with more worn syncros the 6->5->4 may not be nessisary. Although I'd probably still do it when I have time to perpare for a pass (just to minimize wear and tear).
cluch in, 6 -> N -> 4, cluch out
Or are people going to 4 through 5?
cluch in, 6 -> N-> 5-> N -> 4, cluch out
I found when I was first learing the car that it was very dificult to do a 6->4 shift directly (syncros would have to work VERY hard). A friend recomended going through 5th. Although this takes a little extra time, the lay shaft gets accelerated by the syncros in two much easier stages and seems to be much happier. I haven't tried a straight 6->4 shift in a while tho, so perhaps with more worn syncros the 6->5->4 may not be nessisary. Although I'd probably still do it when I have time to perpare for a pass (just to minimize wear and tear).
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Originally posted by zoom44
what i do if i really want to pass is get my line set and shift to 4th to bring the rpms up. then i hold it there and wait for the opening to start to appear(i.e. they start to change lanes to GET THE HELL OUT OF MY WAY!!) as soon as it's clear i drop it to 3rd and mash the gas. this is waaayyyyy fun!!
what i do if i really want to pass is get my line set and shift to 4th to bring the rpms up. then i hold it there and wait for the opening to start to appear(i.e. they start to change lanes to GET THE HELL OUT OF MY WAY!!) as soon as it's clear i drop it to 3rd and mash the gas. this is waaayyyyy fun!!
- Let go of the gas pedal
- Press clutch pedal
- Shift from 6th to 4th
- Tap on gas pedal to rev up but not keep my foot there
- Quick-feather release the clutch
- Step back on the gas pedal (flooring it)
- If the acceleration isn't enough, I repeat the steps to shift to 3rd
This happens so quickly that you no longer have to think about it once you're used to it. It's nice coz your car doesn't jerk, it just increases its acceleration; sort of like how A/T's downshift. I guess that has been my whole motivation with driving M/T. Making it feel as close as the A/T.
Whenever I do this, I can compare it to how you hit a ball with a bat. You toss the ball to a certain altitude and when it starts going back down, you swing and hit it. Only it happens too quickly, you don't have to think about the steps.
ps. The Quick-feather release is important IMO, coz sometimes you could shift to the wrong number and risk destroying your transmission (even engine). I have dropped to 2nd (from 5th) a few times, but never destroyed anything as I detected the error and stepped on the clutch again and automatically shift to neutral to avoid other mistakes...and then say "whew".
Also, I do 6 - 5 - 4 on days when I don't feel as confident on my driving skills.
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Thanks for all the great responses
I have another question....
I've done some searches about shifting here. My transmission doesn't grind at all, but all the shifts seem a bit notchy. Instead of shifting 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to etc.... It feels like 1 out/in 2 out/in 3 out/in 4, etc....
Anyone else's transmission like this? Also, my 1 > 2 shift is a little tougher than the rest. I plan on changing the transmission oil at 5K miles as some people suggest, if that doesn't work then I'll ask the dealer to check the pressure plate bolts or the shift forks..............
I have another question....
I've done some searches about shifting here. My transmission doesn't grind at all, but all the shifts seem a bit notchy. Instead of shifting 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 to etc.... It feels like 1 out/in 2 out/in 3 out/in 4, etc....
Anyone else's transmission like this? Also, my 1 > 2 shift is a little tougher than the rest. I plan on changing the transmission oil at 5K miles as some people suggest, if that doesn't work then I'll ask the dealer to check the pressure plate bolts or the shift forks..............
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I can't believe how many of you guys beat the hell out of your cars. There must be an age or money gap here or something. I plan on driving my car way past when it's paid off, not driving to get repair parts after 50K.
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Double clutching is this sequence:
depress clutch pedal
take shifter out of gear into neutral
release clutch pedal
re-depress clutch pedal
put shifter into desired gear
In the dark ages before synchros, it was necessary. Maybe in some cases it still is, but I never do it.
depress clutch pedal
take shifter out of gear into neutral
release clutch pedal
re-depress clutch pedal
put shifter into desired gear
In the dark ages before synchros, it was necessary. Maybe in some cases it still is, but I never do it.
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Originally posted by Jailbreak'74
I can't believe how many of you guys beat the hell out of your cars. There must be an age or money gap here or something. I plan on driving my car way past when it's paid off, not driving to get repair parts after 50K.
I can't believe how many of you guys beat the hell out of your cars. There must be an age or money gap here or something. I plan on driving my car way past when it's paid off, not driving to get repair parts after 50K.
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amen bro. it's not really beating the hell our of the car. it's more like knowing your car more and knowing how to shift quickly and smoothly. i rarely jerk my 8 on upshifts and downshifts because of my exploration during the first 3 months i got it.
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Fonzie I do seem to have a similar problem as well. My 1->2 is harder then the rest and it does seems a bit notchy, and it wasn't notchy when I first got the car. I'm going to ask them to look at the transmission soon when I take it in for an oil change.
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Originally posted by Aratinga
Double clutching is this sequence:
depress clutch pedal
take shifter out of gear into neutral
release clutch pedal
re-depress clutch pedal
put shifter into desired gear
In the dark ages before synchros, it was necessary. Maybe in some cases it still is, but I never do it.
Double clutching is this sequence:
depress clutch pedal
take shifter out of gear into neutral
release clutch pedal
re-depress clutch pedal
put shifter into desired gear
In the dark ages before synchros, it was necessary. Maybe in some cases it still is, but I never do it.