RoXanneBlack8

vegas did not get a bad bacth of rx8s, who the hell said that, what kind of moron says that and doesnt think that sounds stupid.......o yeah, when mazda mkaes cars they make them in catagories by state......ok, thats retarded what dumbass said that, please tell me! imma kill em

u dont race it, theres ur problem....i have 27k on my FIRST engine and it runs better than new....i beat the living hell out of it. u cant baby a rotary, u HAVE to rev it to keep it running properly. ive seen an rx8 with 90k on its original engine, and btw he beats the living **** out of it....idles better than new!


and the high desert heat problem was mainly with the auto rx8s with 1 oil cooler. the oil would vaporize in high heat traffic and wouldnt give any lubrication while sittin in traffic. that was the real problem.

and i agree with mazdamaniac when he said its not the everymans car......its not

if one dealer says itll be 4 weeks beofre they look at ur car, wheres the next dealer man....if u want, u can ship it to my dealer, we are slow and id love to check it out for ya. no waiting period....im dying for work

I AM NOT SAYING I DONT AGREE WITH HOW U FEEL. id be done with any car goin for engine number 3 at <30k miles, thats just a shame.

sorry for ur loss, cant say i blame ya for ya feel, just, i dunno man....dont think im blaimin u for not abusing it, but like....o whatever.....good luck with ur next car!

Icemark

Okay, then I guess my working on and racing rotary engines and cars for 20+ years experience has let me down.

Because failure described as you just did, is not a seal failure or block failure, hench my comment that is this really a blown motor.

Again a compression check will really show if there is indeed a blown motor, or it is simply a limp mode with some other failure. There won't be sometimes a uneven sound or feel. With a true blown motor, every second the motor is running will be an uneven sound and feel.

Ah, okay... I just don't think so.

I am just saying that I bet if the motor is pulled apart, I would bet there is some other reason, and it is not a true engine or seal failure, because I would be more suspect of a crappy dealer that has no clue and thinks that replacing motors is the solution than one that can figure out what the real problem is. I saw that a lot with the FD... I don't expect dealers 15 years later know any better. Toss in the fact that the dealer took 30 days to get a reman when there are warehouses full of them in LA and Georgia and I could get a engine from the dealer in less than 5 working days in Northern Ca.... well lets put it this way. Again I think the dealer is can't fix the car and that is the problem, not a blown motor.

And the fact that people are saying that Las Vegas has a higher failure rate than anywhere else really points more too crappy dealers than any true mechanical failure.

And a reman is just as reliable as a new engine, the only difference is that a Reman is assembled by American workers by GM. So in other words if it runs without problems for the first month, it should be fine for the life of the motor.

delhi

I never understand why people build a city in the middle of a desert anyways. Not like there are oil.

Oktobernv

Hi Ken.

Yes, I did a rental car during my "first 34 days" without my car when the first engine blew.

They gave me a whopping $30 per day. That put me into a piece of **** Kia.

Nice.


I have not asked for a loaner this time. Yet.

I am out of town this weekend and don't need the car.

If the car is going to be down for a while, I will ask for and get a rental car again.


I am just sick of dealing with this b.s.

This car is less than 3 years old and has less than 24k miles on it.

This whole thing is a joke.


Great car.

**** engine.


Rob in Vegas

MazdaManiac

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Don't bring preconceived notions of the failure mode of these motors to the table. I don't care about how much FD experience you have.
As has been well documented elsewhere on this forum, the people that blow their horn about "previous rotary experience" are most often the least knowledgeable about the Renesis (or, unfortunately, engine dynamics in general).
How many failed Renesis motors have your had direct contact with? How many have you torn down?

I'm sure many of us have seen/felt/heard/smelled a "blown" REW. A "blown" MSP is an entirely different animal because the failures are completely different in nature and the supporting seals that aren't present in the REW make for an entirely different symptom set.

There are dozens of people around here that have "blown" motors with no obvious symptoms at all. A compression check usually proves it.
The Renesis can loose compression without having much in the way of obvious behaviors and symptoms. Get past the idea that your experience with any previous 13b gives you any insight. Start with a clean slate.
The changes in side seal and corner seal design totally changed the game.

MazdaManiac

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Nope. These motors are loosing compression. The dealers, try as they might, can't really screw that one up much.
Almost the entire flow of remans goes to 5 states - NV, AZ, NM, TX and CA.
Considering the ownership of RX-8s does not distribute this way, you should be going back and cracking your Probability and Statistics textbook from high school.

fc13b-re

wow this is just sad to hear...well all i can say is sorry for your luck, thank god i live in PA..love those mild temperatures...lol I havent had an overheating problem yet in any of my previous 7's and now my baby 8

Oktobernv

Thanks for all the well wishes guys.

Much appreciated.

I will report back after the compression check.


Rob in Vegas

TeamRX8

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it was 110+ degF in LV July 4th week, hotter than Death Valley by a degree or two ...

9krpmrx8

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Sucks dude. I am on my second engine too but I bought mine used with 12k on it for 22k out the door so I am at least not upside down. I live in Texas and regardless of the heat, a new car should not have these issues. I feel so sorry for the guys that paid 30k+.

I laugh every time I go to the dealer and see the Skinkas in the showroom for like 35k. I can only imagine the people that are not on top of maintenance. It's no wonder the cars resale sucks. This car is so almost there. They missed the mark with the engine. I wish someone would put the MS6 motor in it just so we could see how it handles with a piston motor.

MazdaManiac

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Its 110°F in my backyard right now at 8pm!
It was 122°F at 4pm.

9krpmrx8

iTrader: (46)

****, thats hotter than a ho on nickel day.

MazdaManiac

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^^ That's funny right there, I don't care who you are...

chickenwafer

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^Get R Done

RX-Nut

Dang, see this is why I stopped reading this forum.. always the gloom and doom. My car moved from Hawaii to TX, now according to forum experts, I'm SOL cause my car will blow an engine soon and without warning. I'm at 33K now, **** should I be doing anything out of the ordinary to prevent this? Grrrreat.

Okto, sorry about your situation.. I hope you get it resolved from Mazda Corp.. that truly sucks.

MazdaManiac

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^^ Use pre-mix, good gas and don't drive it hard in temps above 100°F.
Avoid hi-temp stop and go, too.

mac11

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don't chase american v8s uphill. Learn some discipline.

Icemark

well that would make sense since as I understood it from the numbers I last saw; 50% of the RX-8 sold in the states are sold in those states anyway.

The states you mention, all have a much higher population of RX-8s than the rest of the country. Hell they all have a radically higher percentage of imports than the rest of the country. Do you have "Statistics" that say otherwise??? I sure would like to see them. (and location of owners on this board which only represent maybe 5% of all RX-8 owners, would not be a viable Statistic).

I must be honest, I have only ripped apart 3, and two of the three had apex seal failure... not corner or side seal failure. The third one was in fine condition and was being ripped apart for the rotors.

And until I see even pictures of one that had side seal (or what ever magical loss of compression) failure, and of that failure I will remain a doubting thomas.

See that is the biggest problem I have with this board... Not enough real rotary powered car experience, so people think that the FE is so state of the art (despite the MSP-RE being around since 93 and the basic car FE/P007 design since the same time period) that they ignore the past. The popcorn in the exhaust and or heaters are a classic example of that. We saw that back in '86, but people ignore or simply don't know about it and the fixes involved.

See if my motor failed, I would be ripping it apart to find out why... not taking it too some lame dealer that probably can't even use a digital compression checker correctly.

Because even if it is a leaking mis-seated oil dribbler (pardon, I mean injector) the dealer would say it needed a new motor and it was blown.

Razz1

Premix is good but I would also use 5-30w

The problem is with AT in those hot states is they do not do a complete fix when your engine blows.

I believe the AT's only have one oil cooler. You need two.

I think they began putting two oil cooler on the AT's in 2006.

Good Luck. I would be pissed as hell and demanding my money back too.

I love the car. I'm just lucky I don't have an AT and live in a hot climate.

New Yorker

The notion that the Renesis in hot climates is somehow not ready for "prime time"—or requires "extreme care"—is absurd. You make it sound like thousands of engines have been replaced. It's 2 or 3% of all 8's.

A handful of early RX-8's—mostly "one oil cooler" AT's in very warm climates—had a problem, and Mazda reflashed the ECU to address it. And if checking your oil every other fill up constitutes "extreme care", God help us. Millions of "ordinary" piston engines have to have their timing belts replaced at 60K miles, or bye-bye engine—I suppose they're not ready for prime time either. Yes, the rotary is different so, of course, engine maintenance will be a little different. So what?! I bet the Prius hybrid requires different care in some ways—is the Prius not ready for prime time?

My '99's Miata engine was replaced—along with hundreds of others. Was that engine not ready for prime time? What about all the M3 engines BMW had to replace—I suppose they weren't ready for prime time either. Gimme a break.

Oktobernv

Yo N.Y.

Bring your precious RX8 to Vegas

Drive it around here in the summer for 1 month and tell me if it's "ready"


It isn't.


Cool Car.

**** engine.


Rob in Vegas

mac11

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You need to cut this crap out. just because you are having problems does not mean the engine is garbage. I'm sorry you are having problems but you are not helping anything spreading this kind of flagrant garbage around. Engine failures have happened in a very very small percentage of the rx-8's on the road. Maybe is the way you drive, maybe is the oil you use, maybe its because my hair is red and your car doesn't like that, maybe its dumb ******* bad luck. You pay for the trip I'll bring my car out to vegas for a month and run the **** out of it.

devildog1679

VEGAS ROADTRIP, I'M DOWN

nycgps

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Im pretty sure there are lots of Rx-8 in Vegas without problems that you had.

So what does that mean ?

Have you ever thought that you are a bad owner ?

Human being's nature : Whenever something bad happens, will always blame it on something *ELSE* instead of themself.

Oktobernv

Oh ya.....here we go again!

IT'S JUST ME!!!! Yea right dude.

Same crap all the fanboys told me THE FIRST TIME my engine blew.


Come to Vegas

Take a ride over to Courtesy Mazda Or Peoples Mazda

Take a look at HOW MANY RX8's are IN THE SHOP waiting for new engines.


Then remind yourself......it won't EVER happen to you.

Stick head in sand.


Rob in Vegas