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Phil's 8 04-02-2008 11:05 AM

Cobb AP for the A/T
 
I was not sure where to post this thread but decided that only a/t owners would be interested and those m/t people would avoid coming here.

Jeff left my home yesterday after a two day install session on my 04, 4port, super charged a/t. Since I was first (super charged a/t), there were no starting points except those from Cobb.

Jeff can tell you the process and I can tell you the results:
1. My 8 now has a repeatable idle.

2. Some how he must have also added a new a/t when I was not looking because it now shifts like a new a/t and does it all the way to 8700RPM (it still does not like to shift above that)

3. Even under full boost there are positive shifts - no dragging or slipping.

4. While I have not yet measured it, we know that the gas consumption has decreased significantly. While gas consumption is not something I am worried about it would be a concern to others.

5. Jeff was not after power gains (yet) and just wanted a safe, conservative tune that was consistent. I do believe that he has achieved it.

There are a few areas of concern that need addressing but some of the concerns may be of a mechanical nature and over the next couple of weeks I will be looking into them. Jeff will also be asking Cobb for some additional releases of tuning areas that were not yet open to him and seem to be needed on my a/t.

I want to be sure to point out that Jeff went the extra mile with me so that I understood exactly what was happening and why. He also went thru the process of passing me new tunes.

Ask your questions - make your comments

Jedi54 04-02-2008 11:08 AM

this is a huge step for the A/T guys. Can't wait to see what comes out of this.

mdw1000 04-02-2008 11:11 AM

Thanks for the update, Phil! Please keep us posted on how it is running, any issues that crop up, etc.

BBQdDude 04-02-2008 01:17 PM

Yeah, I was talking (PMs) with him last week and he stated an announcement was coming.

Jeff, if you need a 4 port AT 2004 with NO MODS (performance wise) give me a shout out. I would happily work with you.

Take care,

Brian

dshiznit1489 04-02-2008 01:20 PM

so the accessport works with AT's? 6 port AT's?

Mazurfer 04-02-2008 01:25 PM

Manual owner just checking in Phil! :wavey:

Phil's 8 04-02-2008 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by Dshiznit1489 (Post 2384144)
so the accessport works with AT's? 6 port AT's?

Yep, check with Jeff. He has flashed at least one and has tunes depending on your mods.

Phil's 8 04-02-2008 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by Mazurfer (Post 2384149)
Manual owner just checking in Phil! :wavey:

Your not one I was referring to - you know what I meant:)

Phil's 8 04-02-2008 02:25 PM


Originally Posted by BBQdDude (Post 2384136)
Yeah, I was talking (PMs) with him last week and he stated an announcement was coming.

Jeff, if you need a 4 port AT 2004 with NO MODS (performance wise) give me a shout out. I would happily work with you.

Take care,

Brian

PM Jeff, he already has some stuff for the n/a version of the a/t. But ask him about it.


The Cobb AccessPORT is now available for the supercharged 4-port automatic.

09Factor 04-02-2008 05:15 PM

This is really great news to those that are AT's and Fi'd.. After the turbo was installed I had to learn what the nuanaces were...

My biggest gripe was the "cat save" feature on decel. pop pop pop pop BANG !
This is the one thing i will not miss.

Atilla 04-02-2008 08:39 PM

:rock:

freakin' great news PHIL! - thanks for posting the updates, any plans to put your baby on the dyno? i'd like to see the hp/tq curve - also, you mentioned Jeff has already tuned a 6port AT - any results from that tune? :)

I can't wait to get my AP - damn shame i gotta wait...

Phil's 8 04-02-2008 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by Atilla (Post 2384944)
:rock:

freakin' great news PHIL! - thanks for posting the updates, any plans to put your baby on the dyno? i'd like to see the hp/tq curve - also, you mentioned Jeff has already tuned a 6port AT - any results from that tune? :)

I can't wait to get my AP - damn shame i gotta wait...

Officially my 8 will go on the dyno late next month (as soon as I get a dyno day set up). You will have to ask Jeff or Easy_E1 how the 6 port a/t is doing. All I have is 'hear say" right now.

Atilla 04-02-2008 09:57 PM

GAHH!! - oh well, i guess i should be glad that this is even available for us :)

also, how many maps do you have? and how easy is it to flip from map to map? sorry for my ignorance - i haven't done all my homework yet n' i'm just eager to know :) haha

BlueKnight 04-03-2008 12:12 AM

I am also very interested in the 6 port mappings. I would be happy to work with Jeff on my '08. It was used by Mazda for certifying the Mazda Speed intake/exhaust for the '08 RX8's so I am not sure if they modified the mapping on it. They did dyno it but I unfortunately did not get a copy.

Just to make sure I am understanding though, Cobb does have mappings for the 6 port that work? Is it using the same AccessPORT that is listed for the MT's only on their website?

I am not quite readt to shoot my waranty to hell with a supercharger but I am very interested in increasing the horsepower in easily reversable ways.

Oh, and Phil, thanks for carrying the torch for us AT owners. MTers just don't get that some of us actually like to enjoy the ride even in traffic. :Eyecrazy:

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 07:02 AM


Originally Posted by Atilla (Post 2385139)
GAHH!! - oh well, i guess i should be glad that this is even available for us :)

also, how many maps do you have? and how easy is it to flip from map to map? sorry for my ignorance - i haven't done all my homework yet n' i'm just eager to know :) haha

Oh it's so hard:uhh:. Gosh you have to stop the car, turn the key back on, plug in the access port, pick your map and hit send. Now the really hard part is waiting 4 whole minutes for it to remove the old flash and install the new:lol:. Need more maps? Send Jeff an email on his special address and usually within 24 hours you will have your wish. Then you just copy the new flash map off the Internet onto the software provided with the kit and into the AP. Since you live within a distance that he is willing to travel, you may just con him into a custom install - especially at the SO. Cal Dyno Days (shameless plug for Jedi's meet - this will cost him):) :) . Atilla, you know I was playing with you, it's so easy that even an old hardheaded fart like me can do it. :banghead: How many do I have? I think he left me with about 6 but until I confirm if something is not working correctly (boost bypass) he is holding off sending any more.


Originally Posted by BlueKnight (Post 2385389)
I am also very interested in the 6 port mappings. I would be happy to work with Jeff on my '08. It was used by Mazda for certifying the Mazda Speed intake/exhaust for the '08 RX8's so I am not sure if they modified the mapping on it. They did dyno it but I unfortunately did not get a copy.

Just to make sure I am understanding though, Cobb does have mappings for the 6 port that work? Is it using the same AccessPORT that is listed for the MT's only on their website?

I am not quite readt to shoot my waranty to hell with a supercharger but I am very interested in increasing the horsepower in easily reversable ways.

Oh, and Phil, thanks for carrying the torch for us AT owners. MTers just don't get that some of us actually like to enjoy the ride even in traffic. :Eyecrazy:

I would not say Cobb has the maps for your 6 port but Jeff does. He can flash it now for economy (much better fuel) or some increase in performance. I don't know how he does it - must be magic. Any answer you get from him will be slanted toward conservatism and you will almost always do better than he tells you. YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIS INSTRUCTIONS AS THERE ARE STILL WAYS YOU CAN CAUSE HARM BUT NOT IF YOU LISTEN AND FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS.

Jeff is coming down to So. Cal during the dyno days meet and is bringing several APs with him and also bringing a broken down bald fart named Charles R. Hill (boy will I get flamed). If your really interested now is the time to buy cuz he is talking about doing custom installs when down there.

Please keep in mind that you can't get big horsepower out of a stocker - just ain't possible. Some additional HP, yes but some mods will make the flash even better - again ask Jeff or Ray. Ya want a screaming dragon with 300hp + - get FI cuz it ain't gonna happen without.

Thank you for your kind words - I enjoy my a/t and feel the need to tell others that the a/t is as good as the m/t, maybe better but just a little different.

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 07:48 AM

Jeff and I tried it on my car last week. Seemed to make a difference. I don't have any numbers as of yet. Tomorrow is a dyno session that I plan on attending, so I hope to get some numbers before and after the Cobb.

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 08:05 AM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2385734)
Jeff and I tried it on my car last week. Seemed to make a difference. I don't have any numbers as of yet. Tomorrow is a dyno session that I plan on attending, so I hope to get some numbers before and after the Cobb.

And be sure everyone understands that yours is so stock that you should be a Mazda Poster boy.:Eyecrazy: :)

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 08:19 AM

Mine is so stock I should be the Mazda 4 Port NA Poster Boy.

I do have the Mazdaspeed V2 cat back exhaust.

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2385775)
Mine is so stock I should be the Mazda 4 Port NA Poster Boy.

I do have the Mazdaspeed V2 cat back exhaust.

Oh, I thought you were 6 port - I know that Jeff tuned a 6 port and I thought it was you. Oh my god you modded your car - did you have a momentary lapse? Your the warranty king - did you get it in writing that the MS exhaust would not void your warranty?? With you they would be looking for something:)

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 09:28 AM

My warranty (engine)will be up in 8000 miles. Did you hear that Mazda? Now you can sleep at night.
But I will still have my Emissions warranty. So sleep light. :eyetwitch

So I'll see if I can break 130 RWHP tomorrow. :banghead:

MazdaManiac 04-03-2008 10:03 AM

I have NOT verified it on a 6-port, 6-speed auto.
If someone in Phoenix or L.A. (and is coming to the L.A. dyno day), I will verify its function.
That person will receive 15% off the purchase of an AccessPORT if they want one.

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2385983)
I have NOT verified it on a 6-port, 6-speed auto.
If someone in Phoenix or L.A. (and is coming to the L.A. dyno day), I will verify its function.
That person will receive 15% off the purchase of an AccessPORT if they want one.

OK Atilla - there you go - you even could get a discount. I was mistaken obviously, I was sure he said that he had done a 6 port. Sorry Jeff, I must be getting old and hearing things.

quazmosis 04-03-2008 11:15 AM

This Accessport. I love the price of it vs the Interceptor X, however whats the increase in HP if any for us plain N/A guys? Would it do us any good?

MazdaManiac 04-03-2008 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by quazmosis (Post 2386186)
This Accessport. I love the price of it vs the Interceptor X, however whats the increase in HP if any for us plain N/A guys? Would it do us any good?

I sure hope so! Most of my customers are N/A.
It also has a ton of other features that address drivability and engine longevity in ways that Mazda does not on their own.

quazmosis 04-03-2008 11:59 AM

Any idea numberwise on the HP? (Phil's 8 is my hero)

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by quazmosis (Post 2386296)
Any idea numberwise on the HP? (Phil's 8 is my hero)

I talked to Jeff - HP numbers are as yet unknown on any flashed vehicle. Within the next month there will be dyno clinics with before and after numbers. I understand why he is hesitant to give a figure cuz not all will meet that figure. His words to me about mine are "You car will be a real screamer once it is all dialed in". He is aware that I want my 4 port to have 300 to 350 hp. I don't expect to quite reach that with the flash but with the other plans that Ray and I have along with the AP there is optimism.

quazmosis 04-03-2008 04:59 PM

I understand now. Heck if it gets me 5 HP I'll most likely buy it.

Jedi54 04-03-2008 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2385689)
especially at the SO. Cal Dyno Days (shameless plug for Jedi's meet - this will cost him):) :)

The check is in the mail good Sir.

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 06:49 PM

As I said earlier, I'm suppose to do dyno testing tomorrow with MM. Just not sure exactly when tomorrow.
At that point I will be able to show some results on the Access Port on the NA 4 Port.

So Jeff if you read this call me, Pm me, send smoke signals.

MazdaManiac 04-03-2008 07:07 PM

3pm tomorrow at UMS.

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 07:11 PM

Sweeeeet!

Be ready my minions for the major HP increase numbers,, like 5, 10. Muahahahahaha

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2387340)
Sweeeeet!

Be ready my minions for the major HP increase numbers,, like 5, 10. Muahahahahaha

Jeff speaks in words and thoughts that is hard for us mortals to understand:lol: but my guess is closer to 10 with no mods other than the m/s exhaust. Now if Ray were there he could sneak in some NOz.:uhh:

Easy_E1 04-03-2008 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by Phil's 8 (Post 2387366)
Jeff speaks in words and thoughts that is hard for us mortals to understand:lol: but my guess is closer to 10 with no mods other than the m/s exhaust. Now if Ray were there he could sneak in some NOz.:uhh:


Thanks for the optimistic outlook Phil. :uhh: I'd be suprised if it had a 10 rwhp gain.

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2387376)
Thanks for the optimistic outlook Phil. :uhh: I'd be suprised if it had a 10 rwhp gain.

I am always optimistic - I said closer to 10 than 5 but we will see.

Atilla 04-03-2008 08:46 PM

OH MAN! i think i'm gonna crap myself - i gotta find some way to get someone to loan me some cash :(

Phil's 8 04-03-2008 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2387576)
Fart, crap.......what's with the mention of bodily functions around here?:lol2:

You tend to do that to people:lol:

Razz1 04-03-2008 10:13 PM

It will be nice to see the results.

Easy_E1 04-05-2008 11:42 AM

My car seems to still have issues so the AP dyno tuning session turned into WTF is wrong with Easy's car! I still have NO POWER above 5700 rpm. It drops like a rock. :banghead:
Plus MM was on his way to see the Grim Reaper. He seems to have caught something when he was in Las Vegas. I pretty much think he has the flu. So we'll try this again some time in the future.

HiTMaNN 04-05-2008 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2390409)
My car seems to still have issues so the AP dyno tuning session turned into WTF is wrong with Easy's car! I still have NO POWER above 5700 rpm. It drops like a rock. :banghead:
Plus MM was on his way to see the Grim Reaper. He seems to have caught something when he was in Las Vegas. I pretty much think he has the flu. So we'll try this again some time in the future.

Maybe after all those engines being replaced it was the driver of the car and not the engine easy? LoL ;)

Can't wait to see some REAL results

MazdaManiac 04-05-2008 12:01 PM

I am still alive, but barely.
I haven't been this sick in nearly a decade. Certainly not since I moved to Phoenix.

Yeah, there is something wrong with your car, but I am almost certain it is the CAT.

Easy_E1 04-05-2008 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2390423)
Maybe after all those engines being replaced it was the driver of the car and not the engine easy? LoL ;)

Can't wait to see some REAL results

:spank:


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2390438)
I am still alive, but barely.
I haven't been this sick in nearly a decade. Certainly not since I moved to Phoenix.

Yeah, there is something wrong with your car, but I am almost certain it is the CAT.

I've said that for a while now. Tried convincing the dealer and Mazda but you know how they are. :banghead:
Catless mid pipe hear I come.

Jedi54 04-05-2008 12:30 PM

what's the emissions law in AZ regarding Cat?

Easy_E1 04-05-2008 12:37 PM

I have 150,000 mile warranty on emissions items. But the dealer and Mazda have tested it, according to their specs and it passes.
But there test is at a lower RPM I believe, not above 5000rpm.

MazdaManiac 04-05-2008 12:51 PM

We should just do a mod meet and drop the thing and take a look.

Easy_E1 04-05-2008 01:01 PM

Just found a catless midpipe and I'm on my way to pick it up.

Atilla 04-05-2008 01:07 PM

^lucky :(

Phil's 8 04-05-2008 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by Atilla (Post 2390523)
^lucky :(

Atilla, did you get the AP? I hope you did. I'll be down to see ya on the dyno.

Clavius 04-05-2008 03:52 PM

This is on my Definate Mods to Buy List. This will be bought right after BHR's A/T Rad hehe

Jedi54 04-05-2008 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Easy_E1 (Post 2390515)
Just found a catless midpipe and I'm on my way to pick it up.

damn, that was quick. What kind / where?

Clavius 04-05-2008 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2390704)
Kev, you may want to consider the AP before the radiator as the Cobb will allow earlier fan turn-on times. In your climate that may be all you need.:dunno: Look at it this way; the Cobb is only $75 more than my A/T radiator.

If the man says so.. ok AP first.. then BHR Rad... that and atleast the Ap will be in a smaller box and easier to sneak past the GF heheheheheheh.... :FIREdevil


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