Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3217588)
So, which is more important; having more oil in the oiling system with a second oil cooler or having one fan behind one cooler?
Still say put an extra water radiator in there rather than an extra oil cooler . |
Second oil cooler is $599.99 and An oil cooler fan is $175.00. Price difference of $424.00. I will go with the fan since it can drop oil temps up to 30 degrees.
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Oil temps are relative to coolant temps. If the coolant is running cool, your oil is running cool. Start with the coolant system. Make the engine cooling system more effective and your oil temps will follow.
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Originally Posted by invasion08
(Post 3217700)
Second oil cooler is $599.99 and An oil cooler fan is $175.00. Price difference of $424.00. I will go with the fan since it can drop oil temps up to 30 degrees.
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I can see on the track that an extra oil cooler would help keep your oil temps lower. But in traffic and slow speeds the oil fan would be a better choice. And if you wanted more oil in your oiling system you could buy a greddy oil pan. I know we can go back and fourth on which is better extra oil cooler or oil fan. Hell i think Mazda should have put 2 oil coolers on the A/T's from the start. They know Rotaries produce a lot of heat.
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i think the mods the AT owner should get:
- Mazmart 2nd oil cooler - Mazmart water pump - Mazmart thermostat - BHR A/T radiator because it has a built in transmission cooler as well :) but i just have to wait for it.. i hate US dollars :D: |
The fan works perfect, especially while getting stuck in some traffic. The fan does what it is meant to do, keeping oil temps down.
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Originally Posted by invasion08
(Post 3234095)
The fan works perfect, especially while getting stuck in some traffic. The fan does what it is meant to do, keeping oil temps down.
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Typically 185+ F without when in stop and go traffic
On average in stop and go traffic with the fan 160F |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3217588)
So, which is more important; having more oil in the oiling system with a second oil cooler or having one fan behind one cooler?
Lets re-evaluate your statement, adding another Oil cooler is not going to add that much more oil in the system. If you were looking to add more oil into the system my choice would be to add a larger capacity Oil Pan.
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3217662)
I'm gunna say the fan would be more effective because the issue seems to be more prevalent in slow speed stop start traffic .
Still say put an extra water radiator in there rather than an extra oil cooler .
Originally Posted by Easy_E1
(Post 3217706)
Oil temps are relative to coolant temps. If the coolant is running cool, your oil is running cool. Start with the coolant system. Make the engine cooling system more effective and your oil temps will follow.
Originally Posted by Easy_E1
(Post 3217710)
Mazdamaniac and I tried this last year with a high volume fan behind the oil coolers. It DID NOT do anything noticeable to the oil temps. I would not install a oil cooler fan because we tried it and it did nothing.
Also those that have done the DIY for enlarging the shrouds have reported a 10 deg drop.
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3234103)
Down to what temp? One thing I am curious about is what the typical RX-8 owner has going for oil temps and if they are actually "too high" according to modern oil standards.
We are not merely concerned about modern oil standards only, as like your compadre has stated that with Temperature drops in coolant, oil temperatures will follow. Same can be said about drops in Oil temperatures which in turn will drive down water temperatures as well. |
Originally Posted by Race Roots
(Post 3234641)
Typical temps from Beta testers reported anywhere from an average of 180 to 200 deg F depending on what climate they were in without the Oil Cooler Fan kit installed.
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Originally Posted by foo77
(Post 3218519)
i think the mods the AT owner should get:
- Mazmart 2nd oil cooler - Mazmart water pump - Mazmart thermostat - BHR A/T radiator because it has a built in transmission cooler as well :) but i just have to wait for it.. i hate US dollars :D: |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3235465)
Are these problematic temps?
And the 06+ autos come with the second oil cooler, so it's not like I get much of a choice there in mods to buy. |
Originally Posted by nuke0907
(Post 3235956)
i have all these except for the thermostat.
Just to throw something out there. I wouldn't mind a greddy oil pan, other then that though, l can't see the need for any improvement in this area if l don't track my car or have FI. Am l wrong? I can see the climate coming into this question, but l don't live in a particularly hot area (max 32'C / 90'F). |
Originally Posted by 2SeeKU
(Post 3236756)
Bastard ;)
Just to throw something out there. I wouldn't mind a greddy oil pan, other then that though, l can't see the need for any improvement in this area if l don't track my car or have FI. Am l wrong? I can see the climate coming into this question, but l don't live in a particularly hot area (max 32'C / 90'F). |
Originally Posted by 2SeeKU
(Post 3236756)
Bastard ;)
Just to throw something out there. I wouldn't mind a greddy oil pan, other then that though, l can't see the need for any improvement in this area if l don't track my car or have FI. Am l wrong? I can see the climate coming into this question, but l don't live in a particularly hot area (max 32'C / 90'F). |
Originally Posted by JinDesu
(Post 3236299)
I'd have thought 180-200 was the optimal temperature for the engine.
And the 06+ autos come with the second oil cooler, so it's not like I get much of a choice there in mods to buy. No AT RX8 comes with a second oil cooler from the factory. :banghead: |
Originally Posted by nuke0907
(Post 3236772)
muwahahaha, i have the Greddy oil pan too. i did all this because i am going FI. the only thing i noticed before all this was my fans would stay on after driving my car hard(like manually shifting and such).
Originally Posted by mdw1000
(Post 3236775)
The stock cooling system is fine if you are not tracking your car and live in a moderate climate.
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Originally Posted by 2SeeKU
(Post 3236939)
You would wouldn't you! I've noticed this too, the fans stay on longer then usual.
Good to know guys. |
Originally Posted by Easy_E1
(Post 3236879)
No AT RX8 comes with a second oil cooler from the factory. :banghead:
A quick search on this forum has led me to believe I'm not the only one: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=oil+coolers https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=oil+coolers So unless Mazda decided to add something that looks exactly like a second oil cooler (i haven't checked the lines) just for looks... then I have two. |
I heard of one fellow that the dealer installed a second one on.
You might be a lucky guy. Mazda assembly line worker might have screwed up in your favor. I've looked at all the years parts lists and none of them have a second oil cooler for the AT model. I've even asked the parts guy's at the dealers to show me on their computers and they all show only one. 2004-2009 for the AT. |
Originally Posted by Easy_E1
(Post 3237690)
I heard of one fellow that the dealer installed a second one on.
You might be a lucky guy. Mazda assembly line worker might have screwed up in your favor. I've looked at all the years parts lists and none of them have a second oil cooler for the AT model. I've even asked the parts guy's at the dealers to show me on their computers and they all show only one. 2004-2009 for the AT. but back to the question of operating temperature range - I always had assumed 180-200 was the optimal temperature? I saw it somewhere in a thread regarding track temperatures (yes, track is different from street, but if you aren't going pass 200, that's fine also right?) |
Originally Posted by JinDesu
(Post 3236998)
Then someone had some fun with mine, except no one owned it before. Mine's an AT, with two oil coolers.
A quick search on this forum has led me to believe I'm not the only one: https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=oil+coolers https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ht=oil+coolers So unless Mazda decided to add something that looks exactly like a second oil cooler (i haven't checked the lines) just for looks... then I have two. |
Originally Posted by Bigbacon
(Post 3237708)
My AT also has two. I though after 06 and up they all had 2?
Easy, what is in place of the passenger oil cooler in a stock AT that didn't have it? |
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