? Who with FI is running the LS2 coil?
Just want to get some feedback. This is not a dwell time discussion.
I know Kane has them but he hasnt really been able to drive his car much-----yet. I dont know of any other FI car with them other than MM? I know Juan has the MSD version. Anyone else done this? |
So far, almost every FI car I've tuned in person has had them.
Looking through my customer database (15% of which is FI), more than half of the FI people list LS2 coils as a mod. I can list user names, but I don't want to "out" anyone that doesn't want to be "outed". |
Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
(Post 3815937)
So far, almost every FI car I've tuned in person has had them.
Looking through my customer database (15% of which is FI), more than half of the FI people list LS2 coils as a mod. I can list user names, but I don't want to "out" anyone that doesn't want to be "outed". |
Everybody! Everybody has them.
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As Jeff pointed out, there are others(that I know of as well), but let them chime in if they wish to do so. ;)
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I have tuned several FI cars with them, my own included.
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Yes, I have them
sure fire way to make sure you have spark, especially with a stupid rich AFR. |
Seen 'em light up an 8:1 AFR.... ballsy!
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3815938)
any of them made 320+ whp ?
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
(Post 3815955)
Yes.
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/raises hand -- but no where near 320hp
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Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3815822)
Just want to get some feedback. This is not a dwell time discussion.
I know Kane has them but he hasnt really been able to drive his car much-----yet. I dont know of any other FI car with them other than MM? I know Juan has the MSD version. Anyone else done this? Update - Leads are MSD Ignition 8247. Trailings are standard LS2, not the Yukon's. Spark plugs are set to 32. No misfires.... |
Originally Posted by Rote8
(Post 3815962)
I have both; the LS2 coils on the trailing plug, and the MSD/LS2s on the leads.
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Originally Posted by Rote8
(Post 3815962)
I have both; the LS2 coils on the trailing plug, and the MSD/LS2s on the leads.
pics and evaluation please... |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3816058)
The D-585s have, for a LONG time been referred to as "LS-2" coils but it is erroneous to do so as the LS-2 coils emit only about 40 mA of current while the D-585s emit about 120 mA (according to the guys at MegaSquirt). The popular MSD coils emit 150 mA but at a slightly lower voltage (according to MSD, themselves).
At this point, I have yet to find a coil with a higher current output. |
correction. I have BHR "Yukon" coils :P
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... and when do you expect to use those "D585-like" coils with no dwell change needed in your kits?
@Charles |
bingo Ray--thanks for picking up on that. There is a slight difference between the "yukons" and the "ls2" coils oem dwell tables.
Maybe a thread needs to be started under "Ignition set ups for FI"? Open discussion for the thoughts on coil set ups/wires used and why, capacitors used or not? Maybe someone could actually scope a twin power! Thoughts? |
I have the BHR ignition but not a verified 320+ whp. I have hit 400g/s however and could probably pull more with a boost controller with gain functionality.
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Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3816232)
Maybe a thread needs to be started under "Ignition set ups for FI"?
Open discussion for the thoughts on coil set ups/wires used and why, |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3816254)
I could probably contribute to a good argument on why I think the stock coils are not so bad as everyone makes out and how to get the most from them ......
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Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3816232)
Maybe someone could actually scope a twin power!
Thoughts? |
Originally Posted by paulmasoner
(Post 3816260)
that i'd like to hear
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Like many things with the RX8, there's the easy way and the hard way.
Why some choose the hard way I don't know...but it's very entertaining. |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3816332)
hmmm - to have another shit fight with Paul ............or not ........ that is the question .
indeed:eyetwitch I cant necessarily promise anything remotely intelligent from my side though(you may think that already :P ) since I kinda stay f*cked up on pain meds I can say that I understand dielectric breakdown pretty well, and on any coil dont agree with those folks who are "re-gapping" their plugs to deal with or avoid ignition problems. And it isnt just because I see it as a band-aid... I have a feeling it can easily create another complication :mchase::wiggle: |
OK just to kick things off ....
BUR9EQP (ala RX7) plugs + top quality leads + stock coils = good to 310whp (start breaking up at 320whp ) BUR9EQP (ala RX7) plugs + top quality leads + stock coils + a little extra dwell = good to 350whp + and still going strong after 10000 NA and 45,000 boosted (@300+whp ) kms That's real world - no theory , no BS |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3816422)
BUR9EQP (ala RX7) plugs + top quality leads + stock coils + a little extra dwell = good to 350whp +
EDIT: also where are your coils located/mounted....(asking wrt to temperature) |
see next line down .....
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I should also mention - lowered redline .
Because I think that is relevant . |
well, i believe ya. i dunno what to say though cept i think you've been very lucky.
I should also mention - lowered redline . Because I think that is relevant |
How low is the redline?
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3816422)
stock coils + a little extra dwell
Originally Posted by paulmasoner
(Post 3816432)
i dunno what to say though cept i think you've been very lucky.
I tested the OE coils pretty extensively and even a small amount of additional dwell led to the coils getting very, very hot. |
^^ what I expected
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
(Post 3816456)
Yes.
I tested the OE coils pretty extensively and even a small amount of additional dwell led to the coils getting very, very hot. I took them out the other day and had a look at the back of them . Minor white patches only , nothing like what i've seen from others on here . Don't get me wrong , I'm not saying they are the answer , just reporting my results. But I don't believe luck played any part either . I do remember you telling me ages ago that increasing the dwell on the stock coils was a waste of time - but at the time I had already done the experiment and found that it DID definately get rid of the breakup I was seeing so I thought i would just see what issues arose . That was 18 months ago , admittedly I have not been running at that power level (320+) all this time however . |
You do understand that extending the dwell on the stock coils does not increase the charging, right?
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The hard way.
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No i don't know that .
What I do know is that I had an issue so I extended the dwell and the issue went away .... |
Good start off.
I also believe in the lower redline and removing the coil pack off the engine. On the oem dwell, stock plugs for street and the colder densos for track + high quality wires with correct connectors, wire separators , 7.5K redline with whoops redline to 8K on oem tach, coils grounded to chassis with solid wire--not the small pigtail, pettit coil relocation I have ran: 1- mazsport---didnt work for me very well ---weak ignitor box 2-Yukons--- at the early developement stage-- I removed them because I wasnt sure about them at that time. 3- ls2's --until i upped my power level (365g/sec at 7K) 4- oem with the twin power--- for the past year --no break up, no misfires on multiple track events. but blew engine under a light load and THINK it was a misfire/bad gas cause. This combo sure has a weak looking spark on cranking. And mu car fires trailing and leading on cranking. Just purchsed a cobb--so I will up my dwell and run the ls 2's (not yukons) moroso wires/correct connectors and boots with stock plugs. Maybe I can run the rx7 plugs once i have a strong spark? I cannot find any scope info on the twin power---just LOTS of testamonials. OD |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3816507)
I took them out the other day and had a look at the back of them . Minor white patches only , nothing like what i've seen from others on here .
I'd still like to know where you have the coils mounted. Given that OEM dwell is already delivering all the juice they can muster; adding dwell, even 5%, shouldnt do anything but cook them |
Originally Posted by paulmasoner
(Post 3816675)
this doesnt detract from your experiences, but didn't we all come to the conclusion long ago that the "white spots" were as much BS of an indication as the FSM test procedure is?:dunno:
Originally Posted by paulmasoner
(Post 3816675)
I'd still like to know where you have the coils mounted. Given that OEM dwell is already delivering all the juice they can muster; adding dwell, even 5%, shouldnt do anything but cook them
I'm very much a ' I believe what I see' kinda person so if what I see conflicts with what others are telling me and I have adequately verified what I saw/experienced then i'm going to believe it . |
Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 3816582)
Brett, what "works" for some will not necessarily "work" for others. In BHR's case, we also must consider durability issues when discussing ignition systems (or anything else, really) and what does/will "work". Dave from MazdaTrix was kind to give us an autographed, and melted, OEM ignition coil that had been used for a few track sessions and had additional dwell time added to it. Not that yours will suffer the same consequences, just that when people buy stuff from us or heed our advice we have a different set of considerations.
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I don't use GM coils and have never had an OE coil fail, thats my experience NA anyway ...
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 3817145)
I don't use GM coils and have never had an OE coil fail, thats my experience NA anyway ...
Also : have you been replacing them at regular intervals ? |
Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3816624)
Good start off.
I also believe in the lower redline and removing the coil pack off the engine. On the oem dwell, stock plugs for street and the colder densos for track + high quality wires with correct connectors, wire separators , 7.5K redline with whoops redline to 8K on oem tach, coils grounded to chassis with solid wire--not the small pigtail, pettit coil relocation I have ran: 1- mazsport---didnt work for me very well ---weak ignitor box 2-Yukons--- at the early developement stage-- I removed them because I wasnt sure about them at that time. 3- ls2's --until i upped my power level (365g/sec at 7K) 4- oem with the twin power--- for the past year --no break up, no misfires on multiple track events. but blew engine under a light load and THINK it was a misfire/bad gas cause. This combo sure has a weak looking spark on cranking. And mu car fires trailing and leading on cranking. Just purchsed a cobb--so I will up my dwell and run the ls 2's (not yukons) moroso wires/correct connectors and boots with stock plugs. Maybe I can run the rx7 plugs once i have a strong spark? I cannot find any scope info on the twin power---just LOTS of testamonials. OD dwell is fully changeable... |
Ray I agree that ignition stuff has been talked about a lot, but i since FI brings a different need to the table, maybe its worth some discussion?
Rote--it probably is but I cant do it --i dont have the hardware? |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 3817150)
What leads do you run ?
Also : have you been replacing them at regular intervals ? I installed a set of 10mm wires this year. Had a set of their 8mm wires for several years before that. I don't think anything is wrong with the 8mm set, just replaced them as a racing maintenance item and upgraded to the larger wires in the process. Understand that the last several years for me only equals one or two thousand miles, most of it WOT though. ps: these comments don't mean I disapprove of other brands etc., just my personal choice |
sorry - meant have you been replacing the coils regularly ?
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i did the same for the original OE coils several years ago. Again, just racing maintenance, nothing wrong with them. The current set are upgraded from the original 2005 coils that came on the car, but not the latest version. I have an extra set of the same OE coils that have very little use on them if anyone needs a set. They came with some other parts I bought a while ago. I don't currently use factory spark plugs, not that it should matter.
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has anyone hardwired the ls2/yukon connector to our harness, or do most run the adaptor?
Advantages/disadvantages? OD |
Originally Posted by olddragger
(Post 3817997)
has anyone hardwired the ls2/yukon connector to our harness, or do most run the adaptor?
Advantages/disadvantages? OD |
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