Phish806

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I have recently purchaced CanZoomer, CanScan, and thinking about a nitrous kit.... with the CanZoomer installed and tuned the way i like it without spraying ... should the same maps work for when the car is on the bottle (55 shot)? ... in theory the proper fuel and nitrous jets should keep my car on the same air fuel mixture correct?... just trying to get everyones input and avoid any problems...

Fanman

Paging Mr. Hill, paging Mr. Hill.

Phish806

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thanks for the responce.. its pretty much what i thought, just wnated someone with a little more knowledge then me to confirm it... and thats jsut what i got .. thanks again

chickenwafer

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be careful with a CanZoomer as the stock PCM will eventually learn "around" it and your changes will go back to stock. That can spell disaster if you unleash a large shot of nitrous.

Phish806

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The computer can learn aroudn the CanZoomer?... not to be so blunt but what would be the point in installing it then if in a few months it looses it affect?.... maybe i have not searched enough but i have not heard anything about this yet... and also i have been only lookin over your posts so far but i also have not purchased my kit yet... still waitin to install the Canzoomer and get it the way i like NA... but it should have nitrous and the CZ by the end of next month ... Also, i would love to run a bigger shot ... but still am unsure if i want to push it or not. i say that now .. but who am i kiddin ...

Phish806

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yeah ... since reading that post i have been scanning over the canzoomer posts on here and am finding a little info about the topic... what would you suggestion be for management?

chickenwafer

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The CanZoomer is basically a re-boxed old GReddy E-Manage Blue. I would suggest a GReddy E-Manage Ultimate as it's changes will stick. The stock PCM is just too smart for the old Blue/CZ.

I would recommend the EMU (E Manage Ultimate) over the MicroTech Interceptor-X for your nitrous setup because the EMU has external triggers unlike the Int-x. So you can set up the EMU to automatically retard ignition and enrich fuel under nitrous, and then run like stock otherwise. Plus you'll idle will be better (more stoich) and you won't have any Check Engine Lights like the Int-X will give you

Phish806

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thanks for the imput, i figured you would suggest the ultimate and originally i planned on going with that... but reading convinced me that the canzoomer might the way to go ... now its lookin more like the ultimate... and alot more reading before the final decision ... yoru suggestion R. Hill?

r0tor

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only if your amung the idiots that have tried to tune under 6k rpms...

Phish806

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alright , after doing some reading up i think i have decided on goin with Ultimate rather then the CanZoomer. Turns out one of my friends already tunes with it and i had no idea. Anyway, With this management system, the timing can be adjusted when the nitrous is in use so wouldnt it be safe to run a 75 or even a 100 shot?... i plan on running only a 50 at the moment and make sure everything is running smoothly and tuned correctly but i am sure i will get the urge to upgrade. Anyone running a 75 or 100 shot with the emanage system? What results are you havin? and any true dyno numbers would be great.

chickenwafer

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Mr. Charles R Hill is the pioneer of nitrous on the RX8 as of now. His direct port setup is really sweet. He is currently in the process of rebuilding his engine to accept a larger shot of nitrous. I think 65-hp is the highest anyone is going with a wet shot. Not too many people are using dry shots because of the 8's returnless fuel system, which makes jacking up the fuel pressure difficult unless you have an engine management system, like you have.

You need to figure out what your realistic power goals are and then figure out what kind of shot you will ultimately "settle" on. If you are going to be happy with less than a 125 shot or so, stick with a wet system. But if you are going to be crazy and exced that, I think a dry setup will give you better results, but ultimately require more tuning on your end and can be more dangerous.

Also, consider doing a direct-port injection setup like CRH has done. He tapped into the thick plastic flange of his Upper Intake Manifold (UIM) and placed two included angle nitrous nozzles in that flange. That ensured even distribution to both rotor housings. The benifits of a direct port setup are numerous, but most noticable are it gets the nitrous to the combustion area quicker and in the most possible liquid state. But a safety benifit, and delivery benifit, is you don't have to run a liquid (nitrous and fuel in a wet system) through a dry intake manifold which isn't designed to flow a liquid through it. This means, in a direct port setup, you run your liquid shot through a manifold designed to run liquid (gasoline), so the airflow charchteristics are better than a dry manifold which just flows air.

I'm sure you've read Charles R Hill's many stickty threads on nitrous usage. There is A LOT of great information there. Read it throughly and understand it, and then have fun!

Phish806

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Thanks for the information guys... You are alot of help for a noobie at this ... well who really isnt a noobie.... You see i have always hung around the tuner crowd and alot of really nice fast cars... most of my friends have different types of cars and small groups have there own shops... ( MR2s, Evos, STIs, RX-7s, Mustangs, and camaros) I had never really paid much attention to all the tuner info they talked about because i did not have a quick vehicle... i guess where i am going with this is last night i was out with some friends of mine... one in an EVO one in an STI and one had just bought an 07 corvette.... this has motovated me to move forward with this project... My "goal" would be to use nitrous to hang with, and or edge out an evo or STI. I know i do not want to go with a direst port system because i would also like to have a reliable vehicle and not take the risk of running a 150 shot. I will keep you all updated on my progress and on a side note... This car is still one of the best looking cars and the most unique looking car out there, alot of looks come your way when your with a group of cars like i was with last night . Once again, Thanks guys.

Phish806

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from what little i have heard about the lightened flywheel on the board it does sound like a really good mod to do. Alot of people say that the benifits are well worth it... im jsut not sure if i am willing to put up the cash for an install. personally, how big of an impact do you think it has on your 8?

Phish806

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We will see how things progress and that definately is an option. However, i think i want to get ultimate on my car and see what that along with the tuning does. Also, some of my friends have shop extremely close to my house (two MR2s and two RX-7s) i am sure that they could give me a little help if i were to do the install. But sounds like a diffent flywheel may be moving up on the list of mods.