Originally Posted by Rocketman1976
(Post 2309718)
I read the first two pages and see nothing of the grounding kit. I think he wants to know if it will help this ignition kit to be better or if you guys think it is a required item with this kit. I don't know if you were referring to "use the search option" but I would also like to know what this grounding kit does, is the car not grounded very well or what? Should I take my question elsewhere?
Only certain questions and certain people get answers in this thread. Other's interest and their questions are ignored or critisized. It seems to be more a sales thank you thread than a technical answers or proof of concept thread. I don't understand the point to it, but I see that is what happens. Hopefully it will change at some later point. |
The only way to know for sure is if someone does a comparison. If I reflash my car with the turbo, I may try to do a dyno pull with the OEM coils and another with the Mazsport Coils. I won't do the comparison if I am running my Emanage Ultimate because it will require retuning and its just not worth the time. It will not happen for a couple of months and if I'm able to do the comparison I will post the results.
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Originally Posted by Razz1
(Post 2310359)
Ha ha I'd like to see that proof. Sounds like your a salesman.
I've posted the dyno sheets on here before. I dont sell anything I am a verizon telephone repair man not a Rotary performance salesman. I dyno'd my car before and after at the same place Mazsport uses for their dynos called Race Related. Im working right now and I'll see if I have the dyno in my work laptop. I think it might have actually been around 17.8 hp I can't remember exactly, because it was almost a year ago. People on here have seen the dyno's, and I checked and don't have them on this laptop. BTW the K & N, they let me dyno 4 times and I did one completely stock, then droppen in the K & N and gained 5.? rwhp, then they installed the exhaust and dyno'd again 2 more times. All that for $220, they are good people. |
I posted earlier that according to my gtec pro, I picked up 5 HP with the ignition solution and I only had 6K miles on my car so the coils were working just fine. If you know how a gtec pro works, you know that where and how you run the car makes a difference in the numbers, so i ran it in the exact same place, same tank of gas, same outsude temp and the same gear. I also ran it 3 times before and after and it was 5-6 HP more everytime with new igntion. Just so you know, I have the RB intake with scoop, RB catbcak and RP supercat. I was getting 200HP before and 205 after the igntiion solution.
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I agree with you 100%, there was just some people asking about the HP gain on a N/A vehicle. I plan on going FI in the next year which was one of the main reasons I got it.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 2311014)
... the value they carry in allowing us to pursue power levels above 330 h.p., or so, is far greater than arguing over whether or not they add 5-10 h.p. on an N/A car.
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Honestly, given the (lackluster) quality of the OEM coils, this is an excellent purchase for any RX-8 owner. Ask your dealer how much they'll charge for new coils, wires and labor. Then consider that you may need new coils every 30k miles.
You're not paying $600 for a power adder. You're paying to make your ignition system what it always should have been. |
True enough. The following is pure conjecture, but what the heck. What if the solution lasts twice as long as OEM? What if OEM contributes to blown engines through carbon buildup?
Never mind the fact that few people considering upgrades like this bother to have a shop install them. I do realize that some people have no desire to get dirty maintaining/upgrading their car. However, if popping your hood means your car is broken down...the RX-8 is not for you. The 8 should have a "you haven't popped the hood" CEL :lol: |
No argument there.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 2311182)
The bottom line is......the Mazsport coils are well worth it.
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
(Post 2311182)
The bottom line is......the Mazsport coils are well worth it.
but mine aren't here when I need them :tear: |
The only reason every one wants dyno results now is because they are inexpensively available and they knock down most of the possibilities of junk parts that give people no horsepower or a loss of horse power.
All of this stuff costs a pretty decent amount of hard earned money and no one wants to fall for the Electric Super Charger gag anymore:lol2: I don't blame anyone for wanting to see proven results, I still see products out there claiming giant horsepower gains with no proof. I saw an exhaust offered for the RX-8 that claimed 21 rwhp gain! It just makes you feel so much more confident that you have spent your money on something that works. We dont all know how the flow chart should read or what items can free up so much cfm, so it helps for it all to be simplified to a dyno test. |
Update!
Hey Guys,
10 more units were shipped today, check your email for confirmation. It looks like we will be shipping another 10 units early next week! Thanks guys, Scott |
how much longer until these are a stocked item rather then a waitlist item?
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10 items at a time is pretty good. Even if it was a stocked item they probably wouldn't be stocking more than ten at a time. Once the demand slows down I'm sure they will have some ready to order without a wait. BTW Turbo is better!
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Yeah Scott...got my confirmation today! Woot!
Thanks Mucho! Even though we know the Scanguage II is somewhat inaccurate in it's HP readings.............I wonder if I will be able to see any difference there? Guess I will try to find out.................BUT......I didn't buy this as a HP increase mod and if any, it's a bonus plain and simple. |
Originally Posted by MazsportScott
(Post 2311782)
Hey Guys,
10 more units were shipped today, check your email for confirmation. It looks like we will be shipping another 10 units early next week! Thanks guys, Scott |
I received my FedEx confirmation number. Thanks Scott and Betsy1:)
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Originally Posted by mysql
(Post 2312545)
scangauge shows more hp with the turbo than when I had no turbo installed, so in a way it can reflect changes. However the scangauge also tells me I have over 600 hp sometimes, so I really would put no faith in its results since it can swing by such large margins.
Still might not tell me anything other than to answer....."yes" or "no", and this would ONLY be slightly better than my butt dyno. |
Originally Posted by r0tor
(Post 2311881)
how much longer until these are a stocked item rather then a waitlist item?
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Originally Posted by mysql
(Post 2312628)
problem is that it's not measuring power, it's guessing based on some info it gets from the car sensors.
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600? i hate u. :)
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Well I put the car on the dyno and came away with crappy results. Seems like a great excuse to buy these coils.
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Originally Posted by pdxhak
(Post 2312989)
Well I put the car on the dyno and came away with crappy results. Seems like a great excuse to buy these coils.
It seems as though there is no excuse to not buy the coils. |
^ money
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Originally Posted by Razz1
(Post 2313213)
^ money
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oh yes.. that god awful wait... i mean you really only have 2 choices.
to buy it and wait like 3 months or not buy it and wait forever. wait, wtf? money is a decent reason. but waiting? lol? :suspect: |
It's a new product in high demand. Hell Scott's doing better than Sony did with the Playstation 3. And they have a whole factory that is dedicated to making them:lol2:
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Originally Posted by mysql
(Post 2313322)
yeah, we know some of the people who already got them. Could hunt them down and swipe them... ermm.... nevermind.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 2312275)
i must be dead last on the list then , waiting paitently here on the other side of the world :(
I am starting to wonder if I am even on a list. :banghead: |
Originally Posted by turborx8
(Post 2313522)
Same here.
I am starting to wonder if I am even on a list. :banghead: |
I think that it is very easy to test if those ignition coils increase the power. Just make several runs with two RX-8s , one stock and one with the ignition solution and see the difference. Prefer two cars that have run before and are equal.
I guess that apart from the dyno that Mazsport has published cannot do anything more to convince you that the ignition solution really works and increases the hp. As it concerns that some companies advertise 10hp or more with a single cut back I guess that you have never seen a dyno from those companies. As a result, a dyno + company credibility will be preferred from just an advertisement about increased hp. Mazsport is a very credible company and has provided a dyno for the ignition solution. What else do you want to believe? A contract? |
Originally Posted by mysql
(Post 2313733)
IMO the dyno chart of the NA car doesn't tell me if the ignition really works. The thing that tells me the coils work as advertised is their unrelated dyno chart for their turbo customer getting > 330 whp. That's the true "wall" in power that none of the turbo kits were surpassing till the coil upgrade came to be. That's all I needed to see before placing my order.
What fuel was used in that car? I'm not saying the coils can't do it but I'm just wondering if everything in that dyno is on the table. And if it hit 361 rwhp with the coils why didn't they go higher like to a set number 375 or something? I might do a dyno before and after, I'll see how froggy I feel when my ignition gets here in a few days. It will be on the same dyno Mazsport uses. I did one with my exhaust and intake, I don't like dropping a lot of coin and wondering if I spent my money on promises... |
I knew they all were around the 330 mark, although PTP claimed 354 with methanol injection, (they sent me a dyno) so I didn't know the only limit that was left was the ignition. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Stalls under deceleration
I installed the Mazsport ignition solution today along with the Revi intake and duct. My 8 seem to accelerate well, but stalls constantly on deceleration. I am going to PM Scott but wanted to see if anyone here might have a suggestion.
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more likely something to do with the MAF & Revi than the ignition is my thought ...
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+1
Sounds logical, check for leaks in your intake setup. |
did you install the screen in the intake?
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Originally Posted by 8rotor8
(Post 2314110)
did you install the screen in the intake?
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did you take the negative cable off the battery and perhaps didn't tighten it up enough?
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Originally Posted by r0tor
(Post 2314139)
did you take the negative cable off the battery and perhaps didn't tighten it up enough?
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yep,
reset the ecu.. it will take several drive cycles for the idle to settle down. make sure the nipple that you have to place on the throttle body is still on and tight. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by swoope
(Post 2314206)
yep,
reset the ecu.. it will take several drive cycles for the idle to settle down. make sure the nipple that you have to place on the throttle body is still on and tight. beers :beer: |
Originally Posted by expo1
(Post 2314279)
Will do, I just placed a rubber vac cap on that nipple. Its about an inch long, but on type. Did I need to use a shorter cap?
beers :beer: |
You can get vacuum caps from Pep Boys or Checker Auto Parts stores.
I used a small zip tie on the cap to ensure it was tight. If the idle swings, I would think it is because of the vacuum nipple as well. |
Originally Posted by Rocketman1976
(Post 2313822)
+1
What fuel was used in that car? I'm not saying the coils can't do it but I'm just wondering if everything in that dyno is on the table. And if it hit 361 rwhp with the coils why didn't they go higher like to a set number 375 or something? I might do a dyno before and after, I'll see how froggy I feel when my ignition gets here in a few days. It will be on the same dyno Mazsport uses. I did one with my exhaust and intake, I don't like dropping a lot of coin and wondering if I spent my money on promises... We didn't push further because we had already surpassed what the customer requested (350rwhp). I was unable to contact the customer by phone for permission so that was that. BTW the runs were performed using 93 octane pump gas. |
Originally Posted by expo1
(Post 2313992)
I installed the Mazsport ignition solution today along with the Revi intake and duct. My 8 seem to accelerate well, but stalls constantly on deceleration. I am going to PM Scott but wanted to see if anyone here might have a suggestion.
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so somebody enlighten me real quick(as to not hijack the thread)......was Expo1 having trouble with his idle after the install of the Revi? I looked above and I see all these comments, but no post by him saying that??????? Was it just a rough idle or a CEL thrown as well? Just curious
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Originally Posted by Mazurfer
(Post 2314337)
so somebody enlighten me real quick(as to not hijack the thread)......was Expo1 having trouble with his idle after the install of the Revi? I looked above and I see all these comments, but no post by him saying that??????? Was it just a rough idle or a CEL thrown as well? Just curious
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Ja, just drive it awhile, mine wants to stall too when you reset eCU or remove battery cable.
It's a known thing. After the ECU learns you won't have a problem. |
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