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Brettus 03-09-2011 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3908097)
Pretty decent result

340 hp, 260 tq. (+/- 3 or 4)

very nice - deserves a spot in the highest whp thread . What boost at peak whp ?

pdxhak 03-09-2011 04:18 PM

Is that the dyno of the SFR kit?

Brettus 03-09-2011 04:28 PM

/\ although he didn't say , the previous post seems to point to it being the SFR belonging to Wanted Two

pdxhak 03-09-2011 04:30 PM

That is what I was thinking. Love the numbers! Makes me want more :lol:

WantedTwo 03-09-2011 10:46 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3908304)
very nice - deserves a spot in the highest whp thread . What boost at peak whp ?

12 from what I was told, and yes, that is my car :)

Turblown 03-10-2011 12:25 AM

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Got a scan of the boost curve?

I know its not the exact turbo, however it is a lot closer comparison as a 1.06 GT35R is very close to a .84 turbine P trim housing( even so this one is a .70 according to the build thread). Compressor wheels are also very similar. I have attached a photo of the difference between the turbine wheels.

Results again are tipping in favor of the tubular manifold design, boost comes on sooner, and higher rpms carry more power, and this is still at lower boost pressure.

Not down playing your results, just staying on topic.

WantedTwo 03-10-2011 12:39 AM

I'm afraid I don't. Either Ray or Jeff might as they were with the car, I'm still in Afghan-o-land. You can read exactly what Ray told me in my build thread about what the boost was doing.

WantedTwo 03-10-2011 12:41 AM

Also, I am very curious about the idea of adapting one of your manifolds to my kit, PM me if you would be willing to take a look at it and possible cost involved. The results would quell this entire discussion!

FazdaRX_8 03-10-2011 12:44 AM

Cfm > psi......

Turblown 03-10-2011 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3908942)
I'm afraid I don't. Either Ray or Jeff might as they were with the car, I'm still in Afghan-o-land. You can read exactly what Ray told me in my build thread about what the boost was doing.

I would love to do that, however we are moving into a new shop location out of State in a few weeks and we are over booked currently. I highly doubt you are interested in shipping the car for just this.

Go enjoy your car before you even think of doing more mods. Stay safe out there!

WantedTwo 03-10-2011 12:52 AM

Where is the new shop going to be? I should be home at the end of this month... hopefully.

Turblown 03-10-2011 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3908956)
Where is the new shop going to be? I should be home at the end of this month... hopefully.

Out side of the twin cities in Minnesota.

FazdaRX_8 03-10-2011 12:55 AM

wanted, its only a 60hp difference, and I am still incline to believe this is due to the turbo selection, what you should do is match Turblown 426whp turbo for yours then go back the dyno..

WantedTwo 03-10-2011 01:08 AM


Originally Posted by Turblown (Post 3908958)
Out side of the twin cities in Minnesota.

Shit, yeah, I'm not driving that far, nor shipping her.


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 3908960)
wanted, its only a 60hp difference, and I am still incline to believe this is due to the turbo selection, what you should do is match Turblown 426whp turbo for yours then go back the dyno..

Possibly, but unless I'm mistaken, and I very well could be, I think our turbos are pretty similar. Here is mine

60-1 , P-trim, .70AR, BB T-4 water cooled

MazdaManiac 03-10-2011 01:51 AM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 3908947)
Cfm > psi......

Uh, whut? CFM is almost as useless as PSI.


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 3908105)
apvs closed?

Normal 6250 opening point.


Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3908970)
60-1 , P-trim, .70AR, BB T-4 water cooled

.70 A/R? I presume that is for the compressor. What is the A/R of the turbine?


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 3908304)
What boost at peak whp ?

About 11 PSI.
Wanted has one of those "Gizmo" boost controllers that I knew absolutely nothing about. Tony from UMS and I spent a good 20 minutes trying to decipher the instructions. In all, it seems like a good controller, but it wasn't intuitive at all.
We basically got it to hit 12 PSI as a sort of "spike" (you can see it in the dyno plot) which immediately settled down to 11.5 PSI, trailing down to about 10.8 PSI at the redline.

WantedTwo 03-10-2011 02:00 AM

I'm afraid that is all the info I have reguarding the Turbo, but I seem to remember .96 in there somewhere...

I thought I had left the instructions sitting on the seat just incase, if I forgot, my apologies. Also let me know what I owe you and how you would like to be paid. Thanks for all the work Jeff!!

MazdaManiac 03-10-2011 02:28 AM


Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3909009)
I'm afraid that is all the info I have reguarding the Turbo, but I seem to remember .96 in there somewhere...

.96 sounds right for the turbine.


Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3909009)
I thought I had left the instructions sitting on the seat just incase, if I forgot, my apologies.

No worries. That is why there is teh InterWebZ.
The printed instructions would have been no less cryptic than the online PDF, anyway.



Originally Posted by WantedTwo (Post 3909009)
Also let me know what I owe you and how you would like to be paid. Thanks for all the work Jeff!!

Ray will work that out for you.

Charles R. Hill 03-10-2011 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 3908947)
Cfm > psi......

CFM presumes air is moving.
PSI presumes it is not.

Pstone 03-10-2011 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Turblown (Post 3908958)
Out side of the twin cities in Minnesota.

Sorry to go off topic but HELL YEA!! I may have to start spending more than I was expecting to.

FazdaRX_8 03-10-2011 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3909004)
Uh, whut? CFM is almost as useless as PSI.

Mostly true, I suppose the best picture is the MAF sensor readings? g/sec?
I am pretty sure turblowns turbo has a higher g/sec then SFR's kit, can you confirm?


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 3909108)
CFM presumes air is moving.
PSI presumes it is not.

an engine is moving air, cfm, the PSI is how much resistance the engine is providing, so I always thought that if one engine can make x power at 10psi with a curtain turbo while the same engine makes more power with the same 10psi but a different turbo, what is the change? I thought CFM is what makes the change, an I wrong?

Charles R. Hill 03-10-2011 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 3909272)
an engine is moving air, cfm, the PSI is how much resistance the engine is providing, so I always thought that if one engine can make x power at 10psi with a curtain turbo while the same engine makes more power with the same 10psi but a different turbo, what is the change? I thought CFM is what makes the change, an I wrong?

You are discussing many variables at the same time, Fazda.

MazdaManiac 03-10-2011 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 3909108)
CFM presumes air is moving.
PSI presumes it is not.

And neither represents mass without temperature.

FazdaRX_8 03-10-2011 11:25 AM

I am stating they are the same with the exception of the turbo

Charles R. Hill 03-10-2011 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 3909304)
And neither represents mass without temperature.

I was going to mention charge temperature when Fazda wanted to make compressor comparisons, but haven't been all over this already with Brettus, anyway?

MazdaManiac 03-10-2011 11:53 AM

Yeah, I just feel compelled to scream out "Temperature!" whenever someone says "Pressure!".

It's like a sick game of Marco Polo.


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