I would like opinions on the GReddy turbo
 

I found this link which has it for sale. http://www.mazdatrix.com/8turbo.htm

60 RW horses seems okay at 5 psi. Seems like lots of potential.

the price is a little cheap...hmmm i guess you get for what you pay for?!?!

I had the Greddy on my 99 Si, and that setup was very high quality, drove it for a little over a year with no problems. THIS unit however, I would wait until it has been proven on the RX8. I wouldnt want to be among the first few to use it. BUT, so far, it looks nice. It doesnt appear to have much polished or in the "look good" department, so that may be why the price is a little low. Overall, it looks promising(spelling?). Anyone want to try it out and post their findings??

Hmmmm, $3790 complete. Interesting. I agree that'd it'd be a good idea to wait and see how it works out for the early adopters.

Here's a pic for those interested...

Yeah, $3790! I thought it would be up there with the price of the 350Z/G35 units.

Interesting.. and in my price range ;) Is that a new header I see in that picture Omicron?

And...I would love to find pics of this unit bolted on!

Keep in mind it'll probably cost about $1000 to have it installed and tuned :p

The 350Z/G35 units are more expensive, I believe, because they are twin turbo kits. I could be wrong though.

I think they are twin turbo kits as well.

If so, the highest priced single turbo bolt on kit on greddy.com is the kit for the 240sx and the list price is $3590. I think the kit for the 8 is a bit expensive since it doesn't even include bigger injectors.

The Greddy on my Si cost my 3,700 so it is roughly in their price bracket.

According to GReddy(one of their sales people at GT Live) the complete kit is slated to run $4,500, be released in spring 2005, produce just over 300 RWHP, and be a bolt on kit. This is to include the fuel management which will be an e-manage with a preprogramed fuel and ignition map. Again this came from GReddy so think what you will.

That picture doesn't include the oil pan which they say will be included in the kit.

My dealings with GReddy's customer service has been negative. Horrid. :( Was a nightmare experience, frankly. My experience would preclude me from buying anything GReddy that contains moving parts.

Yeah but $4500 for a bolt-on 300+ HP? I'll betcha that's BHP and not WHP.

Regardless, this is cool news... we're almost there folks... a slew of FI kits are JUST around the corner!!!

:D :D :D

I think it´s awesome to see a few FI kits finally coming on the market, overpriced or underpriced. We´re off to a good start and the future will be even better... We now have 2 turbokits to choose from giving ruffly the same amount of bhp. I´ll bet there will be more alternatives during the winter... There´s still SC´s under development and several other products. However, I would still like to see someone trying out a beltdriven TC.

GReddys TC looks like a good job + I like the design of it. I´ll bet there´s more juice to squeeze out of it with a little help from CZ.
Personally I think I´ll wait for other products coming on the market, more products usually means better prices and companies are always learning from each other and stealing ideas, even if they claim the opposite. =) Taking a look at Petitracing and what they have in plans I think 2005 will be a GR-8 RX-8 year... Power to the 8!!!

The guy from GReddy swore it was RWHP. I asked him several times and he said he was positive it was RWHP, for whatever that's worth. If it is then I'm in, if not then I will probably look towards the Blitz S/C.

well greddy has been saying 4500 for a while as i read about fi. But strret prices on the kits are always a few hundred less. (which is probable the price you see at mazdatrix)..also soneone on here said their company had a few kits from greddy for testing and fitment (i believe they are in cali). but i forgot who, and i am horrible for finding posts.:p

Good conversation...I really hope someone can find pics...

not sure what kind of pics you are looking for but they have some in this thread https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...ghlight=greddy with shawrf1's rx-8

That's what I was looking for...thanks! Now to find some in the "real world".

lol good luck finding them in the real world...but one day i'll have it to look at on my own car:D (now to go win the lotto..sucks to be broke)

Interesting. I’m sure that’s somewhat detuned, so if it’s really 60 WHP for about $5000 all in including installation then that’s good. I’m sure you could simply turn up the boost some, have to check the specs of the IC and the turbo. Still, it’s the TQ increase that will really make the difference in terms of feel, and I would like to see the graph for that.

All in all, this is probably a good deal, and it will help those with the CZ kits as more people will have to learn to program the emanage.

I don’t care who makes a turbo kit, its never quite plug and play. Superschargers can be as they can require less parts, but every install will be a little different and prolly require some minor cutting/fab/modification. Installing a turbo is not easy, so if your really wanting one, I would suggest you get someone really good or a shop to do the installation and I suggest you be there to watch, cuz your warranty is going by by and you need to learn the ins and outs of the engine.

Ask any FD owner, if there weren’t a mechanic/enthusiast before there are now  Its possible to install a low boost supercharger, that you could theoretically pull if you had to take the car in for engine trouble. Once you have a turbo, is basically permanent, its that much of an install.

For those looking to do it yourself, I would suggest hitting www.sportcompactcarweb.com as they have some great old articles on their project cars that will give you a general feel for whats involved with installing a turbo kit.

Its great to finally see the kits coming out though.

Charles said the IC is too small to pump up the boost

good info. well, like anyhting the proof is in the pudding, at least this is a good starting point, a larger IC is only $300-$400, and if your spending that much already, i'm guessing you can handle that.

i dunno i can't even handle the turbo..although i woudl liek to (but fo rhigh boost applications those intercoolers can get up there in price. if only it came with one tha twasn't soo tiny:(

People need to realize that Greddy releasing there kit is more important than just them having a turbo kit out. For better or worse, Greddy seems to be the market maker for aftermarket turbo kits, thus once they come to market others tend to follow, and price around Greddy’s price point.

People also tend to reverse engineer, improve, augment their kits as well as leverage Greddy’s R&D.

In addition, there seems to be some “tentative” consensus now that the emanage can handle to low/mid boost applications, which is a major FI victory as the ECU was the real nut to crack. Sure, a custom ECU would be better, but, the emanage is a known device and a lot of folks are already working with it through Canzoomer.

I look at the Greddy kit as more of the beginning of the FI wave for our car. Finally, I know that in about 12 months we’ll get the first real long-term impressions and effects of FI on the Renesis engine.

true true....time to start saving money now:) in abotu 12 months my warrenty will be gone...then it's fair game for some crazy upgrades;)

Exactly my point. :)

Just got my car back and put about 15 mild freeway miles on the odo... won't be able to drive it again until I get back in town in 2 weeks. What kind of 'real world' pics do you want me to take?

Rob

We've seen most of the pics and most of us are probably more interested in your initial driving impression turbo vs. stock.

I don't think the Greddy Rep. knows what he is talking about. It is not 300 whp, it is 300 hp at the crank. The +60 hp gain would put it in the 300 crank hp range. 300 whp would be about a 120 whp gain as most RX8's are running about 170-180 whp. Even Shawn's unit went from 170 whp to 235 whp, so 300 whp from this kit sound very unrealistic. From the SSR/SFR maybe, but then again that kit seems to be much more high end than this kit (more $ too).

ditto, quite a cliffhanger you left us with there... :mad:

I´d still would like to see this kit mounted without all the enginecovers... any other pics available that´s NOT from sema?

Not the "show and shine" from a car show...but a real person's car with the system installed in it.

That too! :D

has anyone tried calling mazdatrix to see if they actaully POSSES this kit? maybe it's jsut a prereleaese picture and info?

Snoochie, air-to-air intercoolers don't "pump up the boost" as you credited me with saying earlier. What they do, at best, is reduce the compressed intake air charge back down to the same temperature as the ambient air so as to reduce the possibility of detonation and to get the most efficiency out of the boosted system. My comment on the I/C was based merely on the photos I have seen of the I/C included in the GReddy kit. It seems to me that the I/C might be a bit too small to deal with anything more than the GReddy-intended level of 5-6 psi because of it's somewhat small size and two-row design. With those limits, I am wondering if a turbo kit might even be worth the trouble in my case because I already have something that works and to get another 20-45 h.p. out of it requires just an ECU and some jets in the nozzle. No doubt that to have both a turbo kit and mild nitrous would be rather compelling even if the total output is still the same. That's the decision I am weighing right now.

Let me relate my experience driving the nitrous-boosted RX-8 and see if Shaw's turbo feels the same: With the nitrous activated at WOT, the engine has only a small increase in torque below 4K rpm. As the tach needle sweeps past 4 and moves to 5K the boost begins to be felt in the seat-of-the-pants, and by 6K all the ponies are coming on HARD. Anything above 6K feels like a whole different engine.

Charles

p.s. This story is not intended as a pro/con on the turbo vs. nitrous debate. Just a story to let all of you know what it's like to use the nitrous.

Thank you for that review.....ok Turbo your turn :D

No, but I can...let me get some free time this afternoon. ;)

Can't wait for your impressions after some seat time...keep us abreast

Well, I just called Mazdatrix. They have 3 in stock. Well.. make that 2 in stock since I just bought this from them.
The kit comes with a T618Z turbo, exhaust manifold, down pipe, all the piping to include oil lines, couplings, wiring, pre-programmed ECU piggy back (e-manage). I'm going to have it put on the day I recieve it. I'll keep you guys in the loop.

The guy at Mazdatrix told me that they should have the other 2 sold by the end of the day. So hurry if you want it.

I dont want real world pics. What I am looking for is a video. Any digital camera now a days has the ability to take video. Try and post that.

Also, since you have worked closely with GReddy, is it possible for you to obtain dyno graphs? I would love to check out the torque curve compared to stock.

Greddy is one of the best in the Aftermarket Industry. Their products are top-notch.

Charles, I think you are a little optimistic if you think you can get back down to ambiant temp with an A/A IC. If you get 50% eff out of it you can only reduce the temp by .5 of the delta. Meaning half of the difference of outlet temp and amb. A liquid IC does better but is not as renewable per given time. On the other hand it is not dependent on air speed through the grill.

Don't you think you have enough mods already... :confused: ;)

How strange that it's already being sold yet left completely off of their own website..???

even if I was ready to buy, I wouldn't buy it from Mazdatrix since their prices seem a little higher than other sites like hopupracing, im-motorsports, etc. Plus, if you live in CA, you have to pay for sales tax buying from Mazdatrix.

sweet congrats on the purchase..i now officaly hate you:p haha soooo lucky. can't wait till you put it on (are you doing it yourself or having a shop install it for you). please please please post lots of details:D

Thanks. I will be putting it on with a buddy of mine at his shop. He's a rotary mechanic and has a lot of experience with rotaries and turbo's ;) It'll be about 10 days or so until I recieve the kit and install it. I'll start up another thread then with pictures and details of the install.

sweet...is he pretty good? maybe i should roll up to NJ when i get enough money to get my own turbo (which happily enough will coincide with my warrenty ending..hopfully cross some fingures and toes for me:D)