nope swoope.

well,

the weather is nice, and you have a climate controlled garage.. ;)



jealous, yes i am.. :)


beers :beer:

:lol: polls ftw!

Kane!

mine is starting to melt it too!!

isn't it wonderful?

Wrap.

money, pls, and I still have to save up for you to tune my car Jeff.........and since you won't come out here, and charge me 1/10th of my kidney, and I have to go to school, etc etc

yes, I am broke, thanks to t3h turbozzzz

but yea........

I'd vote wrap now and coat if the issue ever comes back

Although, I can see wanting to wrap it (fast, easy and cheap!)...If the money is there, coat it. The wrap just doesn't last as long and you'll be replacing it again in about a year or so.

What's up with some of you guys bagging on the "E" turbo kit, lol and this kit needs body modifications...ha, ha, you guys are too much.

wrap it, no sense in coating at this point.

Why are you bringing this crap into my thread?

I never said squat about the Esmeril Kit; and I have 0 exp with it. As for the 3071R Stuff; yeah you have to bang on your car with a hammer; and IMO it could have come with some more heat wrap / turbo blanket. But this is not a plug and play kit - it is a turbo swap.


Since you brought it up ; and no this is not directed at you GTAW.

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What's up with everyone being cry babies about having to do ANY extra work on a car they just totally changed the VE on with FI????

If your car is in 200,075 pieces in your garage; do you think there might be a SMALL chance you will have to trouble shoot your car???? Hmmm?
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Of course you are right Kane . It stands to reason .
It is common sense that a turbo will generate a lot of heat and that this is likely to create some issues .

the turbo isn't generating heat. It's making use of the kinetic energy. If it's touching the frame of the car, well, you can expect the same thing to happen as if the frame was touching the exhaust manifold. Hot is hot.

wow - that was quick
OK - I stand corrected . There is no additional heat generated - Just a lot of the heat that is already there is concentrated in a small area . That better ?

it's not anymore concentrated than before. The exhaust had to travel down a pipe in stock form. Now it does the same, but there's a "fan blade" that is in the way, spinning on ball bearings, and has coolant and oil flowing through it.

Is the exhaust air post turbo any cooler than say just before the cat on a N/A car ?

I'll have to let someone else answer that. The cat gets pretty damn hot. Especially if it's clogged. I don't know my turbo temps since I have no sensors on it.

Yes. Considerably.

My point was that an aftermarket turbo is likely to have heat related issues like those being delt with in this thread. You may remember we have had this argument before mysql .
Factory fitted turbos tend to have less issues because they put a lot of engineering into preventing them .

thankyou - so where did the heat go ?

yes I know a lot goes into making the tubine spin and some to the cooling fluids . But you have a LOT more surface area with a turbo and maniflod/downpipe than you ever had with just a manifold .

wtf? Cooling was a huge issue with the rx-7. We don't have nearly the problems with the 8. In fact, have you seen the vacuum tubes for the seq turbo setup on a stock 3rd gen? They call it the rats nest. On my car I have basically 2 vacuum tubes. One to route the turbo to the wastegate, and one to the bov. If you want gauges or boost controllers, you add a T to one of these lines and you're done.

I had no heat issues with the greddy setup, and I had none with the 3071R. In fact, besides this thread, how many others can you point out that had issues? Compare that with the install base of the greddy kit to see how likely you are to experience such problem.

I said "tend to " , it was a generalisation .

Kinetic energy.

yup , a lot goes to kinetic , some goes to cooling fluids , the rest is dissapated over the massively increased surface area from the turbo and associated piping ...

That's the problem with generalizations. You could say the RX-8 engine generally lasts 25k miles. If you go turbo, it only lasts 5k miles, because you saw it happen to one person.

However, this doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. You said LIKELY. And therefor your premise is false. There is no tendency here. Not even close to it.

I don't want to argue with you on turbo vs SC. If you want 180 torque, feel free to get a SC. It's still better than stock. Just don't knock the turbo for ridiculous stuff anymore.

Very little goes to cooling fluids (the flow is very small).
The surface area of the turbo system is actually 4 sq/in less than the OE exhaust manifold assembly.
So, you are losing dissipative surface, not gaining it.
Try again.