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Greddy install build-Adaptronic
Just wanted to share my RX-8 buildup and catalogue the events good and bad. Typical Greddy turbo kit install minus the e-manage add some bits and remove some bytes. I picked up this used Greddy kit (minus e-manage) off kijiji in Montreal from a guy who no longer had the 8 and couldn't manage the install when he had it. I was flying there for work from Toronto and I literally picked it up from the guy and packaged it in my hotel room and shipped it back as checked baggage.
• Greddy TD06 turbo, manifold and down pipe • Piping intercooler and couplers • Sandwich oil plate with braided line • Tial BOV with V-band • AEM wideband gauge and O2 • AEM temp gauge for coolant • Adaptronic Plug-In Select ECU • Adaptronic SSI box for optional signals in Adaptronic fuel sensor • Adaptronic electric boost controller • Lo-tek center gauge pod (gaugepods.com) • New ATP 0.50 bar waste gate • Titanium heat wrap for down pipe • Gold reflect tape for down pipe area on car body • Greddy MM fix #2 for boost source to wastegate Stumbling along with the install in my garage using jackstands, a couple long nights but getting ½ way there (no rush). I’m fairly good with mechanical stuff in my own opinion and own a lot of tools from my past profession; that being said, this is a real challenge for one person lying on their back. ........I'm learning a lot and reading a lot here on the forum. I’m not a big social media/internet guy so this build thread will be short. The plan is to run 9psi, stock injectors and new stock coils just to see how it goes. Then a tune in the spring by thewird. As the car sits now BB 2005 GT, R3 sides, MS wing, appearance package front and rears, jdm fog with switch, 10” sub box and amp, DNA exhaust, gutted cat, HSD coilovers, racingbeat end links, 9.5" +35 te37 reps, stock tires stretch. Summer driven and polished always....... Will be adding as I go.... wish me luck....... |
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one of the last days na https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...eeff4b917f.jpg the guy I bought this from packaged in in Styrofoam pellets- thanks. torn apart to get them out of the compressors... https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...6d007fd880.jpg who doesn't love car parts https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...3d109a2b6c.jpg some pics........ |
Running E85?
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https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...3e03d8e561.jpg sandwich plate installed https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...aeda0daa2f.jpg turbo installed, now the challenge.... tighten the bolts. I'm guessing I might have to massage the down pipe area. this kit barely fits...... really surprising how Greddy managed this one... |
more pics and updates to follow. next is to install the wastegate with no room.... how is this possible? anyone have any tool tips for this job? same with the down pipe nuts at in upper back.....
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4717412)
Running E85?
maybe eventually.... I don't have the sensor for the ssi box yet and I don't know enough about it. also we have limited amounts of E85 at gas stations in Ontario. would be cool though. The adaptronic ecu sells itself with all the support and the innovation. so excited to to get it all functioning....... |
Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4717414)
more pics and updates to follow. next is to install the wastegate with no room.... how is this possible? anyone have any tool tips for this job? same with the down pipe nuts at in upper back.....
For the downpipe bolts you need a really ....... really long 3/8" extension . |
You should have put some heat shielding on the firewall. It's not too late, do it. Trust me.
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9k is right ......... unless you enjoy the smell of burning carpet that is .
I ran a removable heat shield that wrapped around the turbine housing. |
right now I have the down pipe and the lower fire wall protected. I will pick up some more reflectagold for the whole fire wall then and put it all over everywhere as high as I can go. I want this install right from the get-go... thanks guys.
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gold tape and heat shielding are not the same thing
needs a better intake pipe/filter too ... |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4717436)
gold tape and heat shielding are not the same thing
I made a heat shield (see my build thread) and installed a turbo blanket (a PTP one from a Genesis fit perfect) and wrapped the down pipe and finally my passenger side floor doesn't get toasted. Oh and mine burnt and was hammered out of the way quite a bit. If you didn't do any hammering then it will be even worse. |
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wow good to know, I have been reading a lot into this issue. I'm in no rush so I will fab up something to fully protect it.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4717436)
gold tape and heat shielding are not the same thing
needs a better intake pipe/filter too ... also yes I agree the filter is just sitting on the rad fan cover, (dumb) I will extend this through the hole to pull in cooler -air already on my list. |
now you do ....
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There are also specially made intakes to add to the greddy, or you can mod something up.
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Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4717443)
I understand the difference......
also yes I agree the filter is just sitting on the rad fan cover, (dumb) I will extend this through the hole to pull in cooler -air already on my list. |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4717457)
Lots of people use AEM to get a decent maf setup/cold air intake . But seeing as you aren't maf tuning you can get away with something more ............. agricultural , like the Greddy air NX.
cool thanks i was also thinking i would diy a extended intake pipe with 2 elbows just to get it away from the rad fan. |
let me just start this reply off by saying that 9k highly approves this post:
Greddy Turbo Cold Air Intake by RX-8 Performance | RX8Performance.com :lol: |
:lol:, no you didn't.
That one is cool for those who want two feet of recirc hose in their engine bay. |
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4717511)
:lol:, no you didn't.
That one is cool for those who want two feet of recirc hose in their engine bay. |
Yeah well he bought the recirculating TIAL BOV so I assume he intends to use it.
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planning on re-circulating for as I feel there are too many guys driving around here in hatch-backs making swoosh noises. Kind of ruins the exclusivity of FI. guy buys a Genesis bolts on RFL blitz bov and drives around making car sneezes... played out.... again no reason I can't upgrade/ change later same with everything else on this build.
sort of overwhelming all the things that I can upgrade or change to be better. for now just want to get it started and put together for storage over the winter. spring/ next year is when the fun starts... I sometimes feel I must be crazy to do such a project and spend the money considering the other options for vehicles and my how nice my current daily driver is. |
My recirculation hose is only like 3" long as the pipes pass across each other almost can't see it.
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Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4717600)
My recirculation hose is only like 3" long as the pipes pass across each other almost can't see it.
That's good, it should be short and direct. That TIAL QR is nice unit. My comment was about the one sold by a liar linked above as the placement of the fitting makes no sense to me since is faces towards the front bumper so the hose has to be routed in a "U" shape (well that's the way most who have it run it) back to the BOV or DV on the C6 pipe. |
Good luck with build man, the pics reminds me of when I did mine solo off jack stands in my garage! Looks like you have the hard part completed in getting that turbo in there but you should have installed it with the actuator in place!
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4717417)
I always had the WG actuator already attached when installing . It is possible to get it on with turbo in there but like you have found out ............ extremely difficult.
For the downpipe bolts you need a really ....... really long 3/8" extension . |
worked 3 straight days on this, and is finally together. i will post up some progress pics tomorrow.
now complete -removed turbo again to install actuator (thanks Greddy instructions) this actually was terrible to have to start almost over again. really poor instructions. new ATP waste-gate actuator is too big 59mm, compared to 54.... won't fit. will tackle this in the spring maybe.... -charge piping/ bumper trimming etc.... used hairspray and cleaned all couplers with brake cleaner. previous owner never ran catch can and all the piping wake caked with oil. -FMIC -cleaned and painted all rusty dirty spots (canada eh... whatta gone doo) -check valve for jet air vac line -oil catch can -removed rusty oil pan/ cleaned/ sanded and painted- drilled hole for return line -lost the upper strut nuts.... trip to dealership to get 3 of these left to do..... -install oil pan with new high temp sealant -heat wrap return line -fabricate NASA style heat shield for down pipe area -lotek gauge cluster -wiring of gauges -install and find location for fuel pressure sensor -install and find location for coolant temp sensor -wiring of AEM O2 wideband to adaptronic ssi box -plug in ECU adaptronic -obtain base map and install keep the positive comments coming..... |
Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
(Post 4717743)
Good luck with build man, the pics reminds me of when I did mine solo off jack stands in my garage! Looks like you have the hard part completed in getting that turbo in there but you should have installed it with the actuator in place!
And Brett's right, I found the skinniest ratchet extension set I could at Princess Auto. Was the only way I could possibly get a socket on the DP to turbo connections without it slipping! |
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4717611)
That's good, it should be short and direct. That TIAL QR is nice unit. My comment was about the one sold by a liar linked above as the placement of the fitting makes no sense to me since is faces towards the front bumper so the hose has to be routed in a "U" shape (well that's the way most who have it run it) back to the BOV or DV on the C6 pipe.
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Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4717982)
-cleaned and painted all rusty dirty spots (canada eh... whatta gone doo)
An yeah BOV signal line goes to Vfad nipple just behind TB... The way you are describing the vacuum hoses sounds right but I threw some pics in Brettus' thread years ago that should help you out. Otherwise; good stuff dude! |
i think i got the yellow and white mixed up... will switch this around tomorrow. also surprisingly i don't have a lot of rust considering it's a Mazda, oil sprayed and only summer driven for the last 4 years. you still get a bit here and there in some areas under the battery tray....all cleaned up now.
funny a buddy of mine asked who has a turbo 8... my response was "a guys in SK with a yellow one" don't know of anyone else yet.... at least they aren't coming to the meet ups around Toronto... where is this vac line at the back of the throttle....?? my eyes start to get sore from all the reading on this forum.... maybe you can link a quick thread or pic? easily half the work involved for the build..... keeping up with the posts here.... part of the fun i guess....although sometimes too many conflicting opinions and ways to do things can be confusing... |
Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4717988)
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Yeah I actually mixed mine up at first and I was driving around with it like that for a while but that was just on a base tune and I wasn't hitting any boost before I noticed; didn't hurt anything.
I don't have a picture because I'm way up north for work right now, but right behind the TB on the driver side there is a nipple (part of the manifold) that is part of the stock air intake VFAD system, You would of had to remove a hose off it to remove the stock intake, it is pointing straight down towards the ground. Directly behind the driver side bottom corner of the TB |
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VFAD nipple picture ^^ It's like directly behind where the coolant hoses go into the TB. |
Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
(Post 4718002)
https://www.google.ca/search?q=rx8+V...q4tcpd2QK9M%3A
VFAD nipple picture ^^ It's like directly behind where the coolant hoses go into the TB. okay perfect run a 3/16 ID hose from that to the blow off valve. thanks... really appreciated. I was assuming this was correct.... |
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SSI box, electronic boost controller, fuel pressure sensor for SSI box. ECU will see low fuel pressure and govern engine. (engine protect mode). this is good insurance until I fix the float on my fuel pump https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ee5155b526.jpg generic catch can.... perfect for $58 shipped. whoo hoo https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...c17a0f30f8.jpg all installed, oil pan, gauges, and ECU left https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...7734a51d71.jpg eventually will run this out to front bumper. (spring project) https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...d581adc12d.jpg oil pan all cleaned up and painted. mounting barb thread tonight https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...52b76a1a63.jpg one way check valve for jet air line some more pictures. |
I hope that doesn't leak. Boost/vacuum leaks are a bitch. Lookin' good man.
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concerned about how the adptronic ECU sits open in the engine bay. I know a few guys are using these is moister a concern? just thinking about what would happen if it got wet for whatever reason. as you know the harness is exposed.
will do some searching........ |
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4718114)
I hope that doesn't leak. Boost/vacuum leaks are a bitch. Lookin' good man.
I know I'm also concerned might put some glue or hairspray inside the fitting or use fuel line clamps instead of gear clamps. the main one is where it connects to the LIM apparently there is no barb there and I can't reach it. maybe I will get lucky as it's an 2005 the line might be 'stuck' on pretty good as rubber lines sometimes get. |
Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4718119)
concerned about how the adptronic ECU sits open in the engine bay. I know a few guys are using these is moister a concern? just thinking about what would happen if it got wet for whatever reason. as you know the harness is exposed.
will do some searching........ The ECU cover fits with the Adaptronic, you just have to move some things around in the ECU box. |
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Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4718123)
The ECU cover fits with the Adaptronic, you just have to move some things around in the ECU box.
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Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4718122)
I know I'm also concerned might put some glue or hairspray inside the fitting or use fuel line clamps instead of gear clamps. the main one is where it connects to the LIM apparently there is no barb there and I can't reach it. maybe I will get lucky as it's an 2005 the line might be 'stuck' on pretty good as rubber lines sometimes get.
As for the connections on the jet air to the LIM.... I didn't put any extra clamps on mine either and I've been going 5 years strong without an issue (knock on wood). |
Originally Posted by RotaryMachineRx
(Post 4718160)
I don't believe the check valve is even required if you are connecting it to the C6 charge pipe like that (flow will always be going from charge pipe to LIM no matter what as LIM will have higher vacuum and lower boost than charge pipe at all times).... I don't have one at least and it would eliminate 2 potential leaks, but the worm gear clamps should be plenty to hold that on and prevent any leaks.
As for the connections on the jet air to the LIM.... I didn't put any extra clamps on mine either and I've been going 5 years strong without an issue (knock on wood). |
Yeah if you use quality vacuum hose (and not just any silicone hose advertised as vacuum hose) it should not come off but I still use zip ties anyway. And yeah I have my jet air to the intake and nothing on the C6 pipe.
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[/QUOTE]And yeah I have my jet air to the intake and nothing on the C6 pipe.[/QUOTE]
interesting I would have thought for sure you would need a check valve as in theory it makes sense. |
Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4718181)
interesting I would have thought for sure you would need a check valve as in theory it makes sense. I do have a check valve (OEM RX-8 one) on the jet air line between it and the intake. |
Originally Posted by 9krpmrx8
(Post 4718178)
Yeah if you use quality vacuum hose (and not just any silicone hose advertised as vacuum hose) it should not come off but I still use zip ties anyway. And yeah I have my jet air to the intake and nothing on the C6 pipe.
interesting I would have thought for sure you would need a check valve as in theory it makes sense.[/QUOTE] Yeah the check valve is needed if you route it back to the intake, because then when the LIM has boost the intake doesn't meaning boost leak. But if it is connected to the charge pipe it is not required as the charge pipe ALWAYS has a greater pressure than the LIM, in vacuum and boost so there is never reverse flow through the jet air hose. As you stated though.... your check valve isnt hurting anything whatsoever as long as you put it in so flow is going towards the LIM! |
Originally Posted by yurcivicsux
(Post 4718119)
concerned about how the adptronic ECU sits open in the engine bay. I know a few guys are using these is moister a concern? just thinking about what would happen if it got wet for whatever reason. as you know the harness is exposed.
will do some searching........ On another note, let me know how that SSI works out for you. I plan on doing that same mod myself some day. |
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