That's what I thought.

so you dont build engines and all you do is bolt on parts?and you sit at home and write on the forum, guessing with over 23000 post.

You guess wrong noob. Unlike you, my successes and failures in RX-8 building are well documented. If it's on or in an RX-8 I have worked on it.

i see

So what base map will you start with on his tune? What will you do to create a VE table for his boosted application? He is running the BHR kit IIRC, will you guess on the dwell settings? How about timing math?

heres an idea....don't use cobb...im sure glad all those racing teams out there running renesis blocks use cobb...wait they don't...if i documented all of my work i wouldn't be able to do about half of it... ive swapped hundreds of renesis engines, built several, as well as rx-7s from 12As to 20b projects, only the special ones get doc. only reason im one here today is for javier20B and work is slow...no renesis engines to swap. :(...
as far as tuning do little math and you can have a starting map...your right its not easy...but its fun...
oh yeah not many failure from javier 20B...none in the 5 years ive known him

Tuning turbo RX-8's is easy that's why there are only two successful RX-8 tuners out there.

Im guesing the program works so well that they blew his motor. Oh yeah one of the 2 pro tunners

Okay expert, well then tell me what stand alone you would use on a daily driven street legal RX-8?



Why are you avoiding answering my questions? If you are a tuner you should be able to answer them easily.

Esmeril Racing - Microtech for Mazda RX-8
here is one its plug and play

::wispers:: tell me all your secrets.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL You are fired, use the adaptronic if you wont use the cobb.

The OP poped an apex seal because he wasn't finished his tuning with MM, he went WOT then blew his shit up.

That seal most likely damaged the turbo and the engine. This isn't a tuning issue this is operator error and will cost at least $6000 to fix.

MM is a very documented and accomplished tuner you are an idiot if you think that is not the case.

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Yeah, go ahead and use that one, it works great. Thanks for proving my point.

never said anything about MM.... i do agree it was op error... but if it was dyno tuned instead of email tuned it would have been fine

holly shit 6 grand. thats a lot of money for an engine rebuild.

No but your buddy did. I am still waiting on your ECU recommendation.

For a rookie rebuild from you, yes. For Darrel Drummond rebuild with ceramic apex seals you will need twice that at least.

I would still like to hear your answers to my tuning questions.

not taking sides with anyone here but.... IRT this comment, I can say that if he received his tune and performed his driving cycles in accordance with the instructions given, he would not have blown his engine:

"ON BOOSTED APPLICATIONS – IF YOU OBSERVE EQUIVALENCE RATIOS (AFR) ABOVE 12.0 AT MANIFOLD PRESSURES OVER 3 PSI OR HEAR AUDIBLE RATTLE OR KNOCK, IMMEDIATELY RELEASE THE GAS PEDAL AND DO NOT ATTEMPT ANOTHER WOT PASS"

The OP's post indicates that he went into WOT numerous times...could have been the tune or a number of other issues...

$1k for flying your almighty ass out there.

$3,000 for an engine rebuild, will need at least one new housing, rotor, etc. I'd say $3k is the minimum for not seeing the engine torn apart.

$1,xxx for a new turbo, unless you want to go cheap and get a new turbine off ebay then send it balanced. so the minimum would be $300

$300 ish for tuning? Not sure how much to value yourself.

$500 for unseen random crap.

I forgot to include shipping and other fees.... Not sure what they will be.

Also I am not sure what you are charging to remove and install all this crap for him.

If he gets out under $6,000 US I'll be surprised.

i guess we have sticker shock since we do ourself and since its a passion we often do it for free

Man you two (mfishe and javier20b) talk a lot of shit but don't answer any questions.

So you are flying to Germany on your own dime, rebuilding an engine/turbo and doing all the tuning for free?

Yes yes this was noted when I downloaded the ATR software. And that is why I will be showing him the program first to see if he can work with it... and if we needed guidance on a base map I would hope I could reach out to the '4 or 5 tuners' on the forum Kane, Brettus, 9K, etc. and get some help you know since this is a RX8 forum.............. but I have confident Javier20b can rebuilt my engine and have me back on the road. As far as tuning, if it comes down to it another $150 will be in MM's pocket and its back to loading the base map.... and waiting. :-/

so much awesome in this thread.

^LOL


RX-8 Club.... Full of noobs and know it all's :D:





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Never got above AFR's above 12.0 but did see boost jump up to 13-14 psi. First thought that popped in my head was hmmm what's my wastegate doing ? Hit the gas again on the autobahn and POP---- game over. Sucks, but here we go again.........

Just have MM tune it and save yourself the headache. It's obvious javier20b doesn't know shit about tuning a turbo RX-8 so don't set yourself up for failure.

WTFFFF...

Dude, if you go over 10psi on stock internals your shit will get snapped up.

AFR's should not go over 10.8 under wot boost. 12 is like full retard gangnam style blowing seals.

I cant take this anymore... unsubscribe.

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The fact that this one post discredits every argument you have and can have still makes me laugh

Why would any of those guys tell you what they learned the hard way only to allow a half assed tuner to make money?
If he's really that good he should be able to figure out the 6 injectors' staging, the VE tables, the MAF scaling, the OMP settings, the throttle maps etc on his own...
Tuning isn't really that difficult IF you know the math behind it AND the way the stock PCM operates.
Guys like Team, MM, Kane, Kahn etc have an extensive knowledge of the system and some of them actually helped build the product you're using.
Why don't you just fly MM's ass to your place to get the job done? Get an engine from Mazmart and invest your money on MM's ticket instead of having to do it anyway, at a later date.

You could also just pm higgi or me to get a quote for a rebuilt engine and save some money on the engine\shipping to have more budget for MM's booze.

Btw the microtech is a piece of shit ecu with the resolution of a commodore 64. The race teams that didn't use a cobb had Bosch Motronic or equivalent ecus.

This sums up the entire thread and the reason certain people should NEVER be handed things that require some sort of intelligence to operate.

you saw boost jump to 14psi and your gut told you 'lets slam the gas again' ... good work.. thumbs up

I teach people in person so that owners can learn about their car and love for the rotary engine. The systems you have suggested for some reason I don’t see them in any record breaking cars. Now I do say that I’m not an expert to the people’s cars that I work on but I started building and turbo charging and using up to 500 shot of nitrous on these engines since I was 15. I’m an old man now. Learned quite a bit over the years before you where playing around with Hondas. So I will try my best to help a fellow rotary guy in need of help without him getting butt rape by everyone else.

Dude, I know, I was there!!

I noticed a problem, decided to hit the gas 'one more time to see' and boom.

Love the thread

your post summary: use in record breaking cars = reliability, stability, and proper functioning

you win.

Don't lump me in with Kane or Brettus. They have taught me, I am in no way on their level and I would never tune someones else's turbo RX-8 unless it was Shadycrew31 because he is aching to rebuild another engine.

This thread has reduced my faith in humanity to an unquantifiable level.

I sincerely hope this is an elaborate well thought out RX7club troll.

exactly what I was going to say.... not to mention that you saw13-14 PSI and went into WOT again....

not trying to rub salt in your wounds, but that was not smart

That's fine, I know you have a lot of knowledge man you just love to come out really A-holish sometimes... but nobody's feelings is hurt on this end from me. There are certain type of characters on every car forum and you just have to search and sift through the bs, and pick up knowledge when you can. Just wish you were more willing to guide a fellow rotor head! But who knows how many dumb questions you get....... :beer05:

How can you teach what you don't know?

I am no youngster myself and I have a ton of experience blowing up turbocharged cars of different makes and models over the last 20 years. I have had a lot of successes with my cars over the years but I am still a noob in the scheme of things and I screw up often so I would never be so irresponsible as to make someone who doesn't know any better think I could do something that I can't. Blowing up you own shit is one thing, doing it on some one elses dime is just wrong.

But unfortunately I have seen it with rookie rotary builders time and time again.

I would rather you purchase a civic and work with Captain 20b to get it tuned and turbo'd.

Conservative meaning, definition, English dictionary, synonym, see also ' =reliability, stability, and proper functioning.
I agree with conservative tuning for dally drivers.

So you were a piston guy before buying and rx8.. ...knowledge I see. Hey welcome to the rotary engine world

I love lamp ?

I am always willing to help those who are willing to help themselves. Heck I helped right now by being a dick and showing that these guys don't know jack shit about tuning a turbo RX-8.

But if you are serious and want to learn then you need to make and effort to learn all that you can. All of the info is here already. And if you don't want to learn or don't feel confident that you can (it's daunting) then just pay to get it done right the first time.

Rebuilding a Renesis is not terribly difficult honestly but tuning a turbocharged RX-8 is very involved process and takes higher level of intelligence and knowledge than the average gear head has. I consider myself a pretty intelligent person (shut up peanut gallery) and learning to tune has been very tough and I still have a ton to learn.

9krpmrx8 do you know a Francisco over in Texas? He is usually in the rx7 forum named FJDRX7

I re read the whole thread and this is what i herd....
rotary redliner: hey i blew my motor
javier20b: i can help you man its cool, i live in germany
9krpmrx8: don't trust that guy ive never meet him
blah blah tuning blah blah blah

Yes I was, the fact that some owned RX-7's before owning an RX-8 means nothing.