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wcs 07-16-2011 11:07 AM

Hey jerk face!
I know you were on the dyno last night!

WE WANT AN UPDATE.

LIKE F"N NOW!!!!!

pdxhak 07-16-2011 11:23 AM

Post up the dyno numbers!

FazdaRX_8 07-16-2011 12:49 PM

yes the rx8 was on the dyno last night :) I could tell you the numbers or wait and post pictures and video's :)

firecran 07-16-2011 01:10 PM

Can't wait!!!!

FazdaRX_8 07-16-2011 03:35 PM



Pretty good runs, the motor was happy doing 10-11psi.
was really hoping to join the 300whp club but I didn't quite make it.
I am going to make some subtle changes in the cold pipes that might get me a little more.

firecran 07-16-2011 03:47 PM

Very nice !!! Congrats!

pdxhak 07-16-2011 03:53 PM

Nice numbers :) Nice flat curve and the HP staying steady after reaching its peak. Did they provide a graph for the boost?

pdxhak 07-16-2011 04:17 PM

Just realized the AFRs are hovering around 12 quite a bit. Did you log the runs with the AP as well?

wcs 07-16-2011 05:15 PM

Wondering why the dyno drops off at the end.
Seems a bit odd the way it hits a wall or something.
To bad there is no boost log

FazdaRX_8 07-16-2011 05:22 PM

I should clear that up, I did datalog all the runs, they the shop only had one 02 senser for the back exhaust so not very effective for a dual tip setup, and I have a leak right at before my second wo2

my cobb ap read 10.88
my lc-1 read about 11.2-11.6
while theres read that

they usually do diesal trucks then imports, I beleve they had 2 other stock rx-8 on the dyno, mine was the first and probably only FI rx-8. they where very suprised when I popped the hood lol

so for the exhuast leak the damn c-clamp must have warped when welding, so i need to sand the hell out of it to be flat again that will fix the leak

so 100% load at 3800 then @ 4300 124% load and 10.88 afr til redline

RotaryMachineRx 07-19-2011 12:08 PM

Very Nice, you will hopefully bust that 300whp in no time!

Brettus 07-19-2011 03:46 PM

Good work - looks like you will be into the 300+ range in no time

RotaryMachineRx 07-19-2011 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4034942)
Good work - looks like you will be into the 300+ range in no time

^ Copy Cat

Brettus 07-19-2011 04:58 PM

/\ great minds .........

MazdaManiac 07-19-2011 05:14 PM

"So smooth!" lol How many times did you guys say that?

Tailpipe AFR gauges are only, at best, useful as a "back-up plan" to an aftermarket gauge in the midpipe somewhere.
Next best thing is the AP.
Even without an exhaust leak, the tailpipe will have a totally different "curve" than reality and will be .5 to 1.5 points leaner.
Even the slightest leak (and very, very few turbo setups that I have seen DON'T have a leak of some sort) will totally compromise the readings.

The best bet is to screw the shop's lambda sensor into the OE rear O2 sensor position (provided their system is good, up-to-date and properly calibrated).

That said, 12:1 or so is not a problem a few hundred RPM on either side of the torque peak, though it probably isn't optimal. "Technically", 12.3 is LBT, though I have yet to see a rotary make any more power that lean then it does at 11:1.

My guess, based on your other readings, is that it is still actually a bit rich.

Rather than AFR, I would have asked for boost pressure (or both since the Dynojet can put that on the other side of the AFR plot).


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4032791)
so 100% load at 3800 then @ 4300 124% load and 10.88 afr til redline

Your last log showed that you were into the 190% load range by the torque peak. It wouldn't be a good thing if you were only in the 120% range up there. What was your boost pressure at 6200 - 7200?


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4032750)
I am going to make some subtle changes in the cold pipes that might get me a little more.

Getting rid of that divided housing on an undivided manifold would probably free up some exhaust flow better than most cold-side adjustments. Might help address that lag, too.

See you on the 26th.

Brettus 07-19-2011 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by FazdaRX_8 (Post 4032791)
my cobb ap read 10.88

???? thought the min. was 11.1 ........

MazdaManiac 07-19-2011 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 4035051)
???? thought the min. was 11.1 ........

Depends on the PCM.
Some of the 2004's and most of the 2005s will read down to 10.88:1.
Not that it matters. If the AFRs flat-line, who knows what you have.

Fazda's LM-1 and the AP are reading differently, anyway.

FazdaRX_8 07-19-2011 11:29 PM

Thanks Guys, I was really nervous, my friends where there, my welder was there, and it was my first dyno session. Next time I will ask about the boost logging

it seemed like I was getting 10-11psi most of the time, but in the higher rpms I admit-tingly was watching the tack so I knew when to let off. I am guessing the boost dropped off in the redline part of the graph though. perhaps the wastegate spring got hot? the blue one seems to keep climbing, even though the whole thing is lower.
290 @ 7200rpms

My load did climb to a peak of 192.47 @5876rpms then falls

I am looking into the deletion of the divided housing or at least filing it down.

For now I have the pipe and couples to make a quick cold side adjustment, it will be from the intercooler to the 3" throttle body pipe. I will be going from 2" to 2.5", I did some flow testing in Solidworks and doing this change will result in a consistent speed through the system and a lower peak speed, currently there is a peak of 350+mph, where 304mph is Mach speed this one changes the highest from a corner to inside the intercooler but over a lower MPH

I Updated the dyno with a Higher res scan

Turblown 07-20-2011 09:06 PM

I'm going to save you a big hassal.. Weld the vband flange, it will just continue to warp...

MazdaManiac 07-20-2011 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by Turblown (Post 4036043)
I'm going to save you a big hassal.. Weld the vband flange, it will just continue to warp...

Word.

09Factor 07-20-2011 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by Turblown (Post 4036043)
I'm going to save you a big hassal.. Weld the vband flange, it will just continue to warp...

Been there, Done that. Pain in the ass all the way.

TeamRX8 07-21-2011 11:27 AM

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for V-band clamps you're suppose to have the tube from one side extend out past the flange and into the other one, it not only provides alignment but keeps the flow from having direct access to the mating joint. I didn't see this on any of your pics, but if they're there then ignore this.

MazdaManiac 07-21-2011 12:02 PM

^Which is why the v-band clamps for wastegates seldom - if ever- leak or warp.

They do crack, however...

FazdaRX_8 09-30-2011 02:10 AM

So an upgrade is in order

I was thinking 4 uncapped yellows in sec/aux and stock yellows in Primary position

then a Divided .84 T4 turbine housing to replace the 1.00

the troublesome 3" v-band clamp is in the down-pipe, not the header....

FazdaRX_8 12-06-2011 02:34 AM

all upgrades done

plenty of fuel

Spool time increase by nearly 1000rpms


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