I believe you meant narrowband. Again, the only difference between now and 9 years ago is the flex fuel sensor and programming rather than dedicated tuning maps.
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are you saying the oem O2 sensor is narrowband or it's not a good wideband?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4887910)
I believe you meant narrowband. Again, the only difference between now and 9 years ago is the flex fuel sensor and programming rather than dedicated tuning maps.
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when i was tuning on pump gas, the oem sensor reading was very comparable to the wideband sniffer at the tailpipe, the tailpipe was a couple points leaner probably due to location. Versatuner log the oem sensor as Lambda values, not AFR.
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It might be a semi-quasi WB at best, but I never really put a lot of faith in it.
I was referring to Shawn’s post previously. The NA Renesis should be tuned for around 0.89λ WOT regardless of E%. Using 0.78λ on gas is not only hurting power, it’s going to result in too much carbon deposits. |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4888005)
I was referring to Shawn’s post previously. The NA Renesis should be tuned for around 0.89λ WOT regardless of E%. Using 0.78λ on gas is not only hurting power, it’s going to result in too much carbon deposits.
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It’s not a piston engine. It’s not a typical rotary engine. It’s a Renesis and it’s uniquely special.
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If anyone still has any doubts about the effectiveness of ethanol blends ...they should take a look at this :
https://youtu.be/6_DQPLihXfo Interesting to refer back to this chart I posted a few years ago , looks much the same as the one he uses above . https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-maj...4/#post4873018 An interesting observation for me is that the cooling effect is most noticeable with direct injection. As we don't have direct injection we can surmise that, for the Renesis, it would be somewhere in between the two charts he displayed. His explanation mirrors my experience with ethanol blends over the years and it's why I really push the idea on to anyone that will listen wrt turbo conversions. |
oh geez; that youboob guy, really?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4981983)
oh geez; that youboob guy, really?
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4981983)
oh geez; that youboob guy, really?
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Originally Posted by trackjunkie
(Post 4872525)
I'm going to run this oil for premix when I go e85
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...32a45a07ec.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...da1282d619.jpg |
he’s no different than a lot of other people just like him who otherwise aren’t playing the youboob game seeking likes and clicks by regurgitating known and established information under the guise of “supplying content”.
There’s not anything new or different going on here. Which is pretty much the norm for that particular intraweb platform and this one too. It was well know even before this thread started in 2016 and it’s not mirroring your experience, but that of all the people who went there long before you did. I was running it back at least 11-12 years ago NA. Not that I’m here to boast about it, but rather to support the point that it was before my experience too, which was before your own. there are also better ethanol premix oils than that bump above. . . |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4982024)
he’s no different than a lot of other people just like him who otherwise aren’t playing the youboob game seeking likes and clicks by regurgitating known and established information under the guise of “supplying content”.
There’s not anything new or different going on here. Which is pretty much the norm for that particular intraweb platform and this one too. It was well know even before this thread started in 2016 and it’s not mirroring your experience, but that of all the people who went there long before you did. I was running it back at least 11-12 years ago NA. Not that I’m here to boast about it, but rather to support the point that it was before my experience too, which was before your own. there are also better ethanol premix oils than that bump above. . . |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4982024)
he’s no different than a lot of other people just like him who otherwise aren’t playing the youboob game seeking likes and clicks by regurgitating known and established information under the guise of “supplying content”.
There’s not anything new or different going on here. Which is pretty much the norm for that particular intraweb platform and this one too. It was well know even before this thread started in 2016 and it’s not mirroring your experience, but that of all the people who went there long before you did. I was running it back at least 11-12 years ago NA. Not that I’m here to boast about it, but rather to support the point that it was before my experience too, which was before your own. there are also better ethanol premix oils than that bump above. . . I understand not liking the YouTube click bait, please like and subscribe, make me an "influencer", LEARN THIS ONE NEW TRICK ABOUT ETHANOL!!!, and associated BS that comes with the platform, but this video isn't that. |
I see your discernment tank is still dry and unused.
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4982062)
I see your discernment tank is still dry and unused.
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4981972)
An interesting observation for me is that the cooling effect is most noticeable with direct injection. As we don't have direct injection we can surmise that, for the Renesis, it would be somewhere in between the two charts he displayed.
If we take the above as being correct : For an FI Renesis ........... The biggest 'bang for buck' with the least amount of modification to fuel system and tune for us is going to be in that 20-30% ethanol content range. This also reduces the amount of premix you need and any negative side effects/deposits from running ethanol + premix. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...e5b708b5c1.png Chart showing chemical octane advantage only. (copied from link to "uboob guy" above) https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...d1e7a03cf0.png Chart showing chemical advantage in purple and total advantage (chemical plus cooling in DI engine) |
also a benefit of running e45 is you only have to bring half the amount of e85 to the track. then mix e85 and 93(e10) half and half and you get roughly e45.
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Originally Posted by trackjunkie
(Post 4984557)
also a benefit of running e45 is you only have to bring half the amount of e85 to the track. then mix e85 and 93(e10) half and half and you get roughly e45.
If you are talking about NA ...... the issue then is any power gains from E85 are halved. |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4984562)
True but
If you are talking about NA ...... the issue then is any power gains from E85 are halved. |
anyone looked into how much premix lower the octane level?
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Originally Posted by trackjunkie
(Post 4984565)
but according to the screenshot chart you posted, not much gain after 40% eth
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Originally Posted by Brettus
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Just remembered I was going to make this point before Team so rudely interrupted with his unhelpful post.
There’s a lot you’re missing on this topic. As far as I can tell you never actually ran or even long term tested full E85. There’s more to it than octane, and certainly more to it than you’re aware of. That E-percentage testing data is very old. And it wasn’t conducted on a turbo rotary engine. And you certainly aren’t the source behind it, or have ever fully tested it yourself fully on a rotary engine. It’s just the usual 1 + 1 = 3 methodology. . |
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4984714)
I swear you don’t have a lick of sense to just let it go. Just the same, I’m retracting my previous response.
There’s a lot you’re missing on this topic. As far as I can tell you never actually ran or even long term tested full E85. There’s more to it than octane, and certainly more to it than you’re aware of. That E-percentage testing data is very old. And it wasn’t conducted on a turbo rotary engine. And you certainly aren’t the source behind it, or have ever fully tested it yourself fully on a rotary engine. It’s just the usual 1 + 1 = 3 methodology. . Also ... Congrats on finally figuring out how to use the quote button ...well done! |
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