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turborx8 04-06-2008 11:34 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2392565)
If Jeff/MM gives this approval for use with his AP tunings I will strongly consider offering it as a BHR kit. Then we can also include it in his Upgrade kit and our MM/BHR kit, too.

That is a fantastic idea. I dont see why he would object.

MazdaManiac 04-07-2008 12:41 AM

It has my "Stamp 'o Approval"!
I just don't have the excess manufacturing capacity at the moment.

Grouch 04-07-2008 05:52 AM

I will post the pics of the finished product tonight, and hopefully have it installed by Tuesday night with pics also!

steven000e 04-07-2008 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2393022)
I shall begin looking stuff up right away.:)

I’ve tried to build one of my own in this past weekend however it was failed attempt. I am just not great building this kind of stuff.. :(
So CRH if you price it reasonably. I am all in already

Kane 04-07-2008 04:11 PM

Sweet - I'll buy one from you Ray.

Grouch 04-07-2008 07:24 PM

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some more pics here and some important comments. I assume everyone who wants one of these things have their stock airbox sitting in their garage on a shelf. IF NOT, that is ok too, as I will explain many variants and options.

Pictured here in order, is the hacksawed off (takes about ten seconds) plastic ABS maf tube from the stock airbox. There are also two metal mesh screens that were part of the stock airbox. You can choose to use this screen and this plastic tube for the mount. (next post I will list other ways you can do it, this is just one super fast 30 second way).

more steps:
1. hacksaw off stock maf cylindrical part (10 seconds), and also obtain a stock screen, which is already there, it just comes off.

2. Place cyclindrical tube with hole facing upwards and hacksaw the thing in half as shown.

as you can now see, you have TWO maf sensor mounts now so you can give one to your friend. The backside of the thing you just cut in half, has a flat spot with what looks like a 1.25" knock-out hole. With the hole-saw blade used earlier, you can knock this hole out and have two mounts.

using plastic or metal straps or t-bolt clamps, align the hole with the hole in the aluminum tube and strap it on. this is ready for use now.

COMMENTS:
1. if you think this is ugly, it's because i spent in total about 3 minutes on the whole process. you can use some household tools on the plastic and make it looking really pretty and fast. get a file or dremel and have a party. put your name on it or the word FAST. I think mine looks badass like the terminator

2. the 3.5" OD aluminum cylinder i used is exactly 1.5 mm thick. This will result in the maf sensor 1.5mm offset from the center of the tube. Looking at it inside the stock tube, and inside the greddy maf tube, it is not exactly in the center anyways, maybe it should be? I hope Chamberlain or Jeff can comment on this There is an EASY FIX anyways, if you don't like this. Simply take a piece of sandpaper, wrap it around a small rectangular block and sand down the flat surface of where the maf is and the two pegs where the screws go in by 1.5 mm or more. you can now completely adjust where you want the maf sensor to be. i just assume it doesn't matter because of looking at other configurations.

3. I tried putting the maf sensor (more pics later) directly into the aluminum hole i drilled. There is an o-ring around the maf sensor where it touches the hole. the hole is 1.25" in the aluminum and is PERFECT. there is literally not even a fraction of a mm gap around the maf sensor and there is literally zero air-gap. You can get a 1.25" ID rubber washer or another o-ring and put it on the maf sensor, and directly stick the sensor into the aluminum hole. MOUNTING this can be done in several ways also. You can just strap the sensor in with a strap, or drill two holes in the aluminum tube where the screws go, and use long tiny computer screws from the inside of the tube, facing out, and thru the holes on your maf sensor and use little cute nuts to bolt it on

4. However you choose to do it, it should be very secure. But don't worry about it needing to be super secure. Being located in an area so close to the open atmosphere (the air filter), there is not going to be a significant pressure or vacuum differential where the maf sensor is. It's not going to pop out or get sucked in by air. But it needs to be secure because like all the other parts in your car, it's going to vibrate and you don't want this thing fallin out while driving, i suppose

5. I just remembered, so yeeah, if you don't wanna chop up your stock maf housing and don't wanna mount directly (which I think would work very well with a nice solid 1.25" OD rubber washer), you can just find something else to strap on and make a flat spot and drill the hole where the maf is. Plastic would be the easiest. Or wood, lol

summary: there are more than a few cool ways to mount this thing without the use of any welding and it will look just as nice, if you spend more than my 30 seconds on it, and work just as good. i will post pics and instructions of the other methods also

Grouch 04-07-2008 07:35 PM

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Here are some more pics of the finished maf mount setup. I will post more pics of options, the completed setup, and the installation.

note that the stock plastic maf housing is about 1/3 mm larger in diameter so after fitting it onto the aluminum pipe, it was a PERFECT fit. You have two of these now and can make two, and you have two screens also

Unfortunately the stock screen didn't fit as shown in the prior post picture. I will post pics of just simply putting this screen (unless you wanna use a different screen) on a piece of wood and just cutting out the exterior ring. then it will fit perfectly.

Also, I heard a rumor that Charles R. Hill might be throwing together a complete parts kit for this setup. This setup has some unique advantages over any other setup on the market:

1. Maximixed length of maf sensor housing, being a full 12" long right out to your bumper, with NO bends or interruptions in the tube before or after the sensor which is right in the middle of this tube

2. 3.5" outer diameter tube is larger so you will not max out your maf setup as fast as you would in a 3" tube

3. the 90 degree bends, since coupled with a silicone coupler and t-bolt clamps, can be fully adjusted. So if you are going to upgrade your intercooler, or change the position of it, or anything else under your bumper, you don't have to hack up a brand new shiny CAI that you bought. You can simply twist the position of the tubes to where you want your air filter to be, and you can disconnect these 90 degree elbows, take a hacksaw and do a 30 second cut to adjust the new height of where you want your air filter to be.

4. it's lightweight aluminum and matches your intercooler and other pipes that came with your greddy kit

5. it doesn't really take any extra time to go this route since if you buy another aftermarket CAI, you still have to pull your bumper off and install it anyways, so with all the legwork done, all you need to do is make a trip, buy your parts and have a hacksaw and drill ready and you're done.

Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, or ideas to help make this thing even cooler - literally (like by coating the 3.5" tube with an insulator).

MazsportScott 04-07-2008 07:46 PM

Just FYI, if anyone would prefer a pre-built C.A.I. for your Greddy kit we have them at Mazsport.net!

Now back to the DIY!

SiLVeRE8 04-08-2008 02:40 AM

now i gotta make me one of these! thanks for the DIY

turborx8 04-08-2008 11:41 PM

Looks amzing and very simple to accomplish.

When do you plan to have it installed?

I am dying to find out if the intake will solve your rich condition @ WOT.

steven000e 04-10-2008 07:44 PM

any updates grouch?
did it work?
I tried to make my own however it ran like crap so I am back to the greddy one and saving some money and maybe have a shop make it for me

gregs 04-12-2008 03:17 PM

cant wait to see what to look foward to...im placing the mazsport cai on hold

Kane 04-12-2008 05:07 PM

Sweet - to lazy to build my own; and Ray saves the day.

m4f1050 04-12-2008 07:48 PM

Can we buy only the 3.5 and the MAF mount? I started the DIY and have all the other parts...

Grouch 04-12-2008 10:18 PM

I haven't had the time for updates since the weather was pretty crappy but today I managed to be able to take a quick peek at how much room I had after I pulled the bumper off. I've now decided on which filter to go with, and for sure, you can choose any filter you want, providing it is approximately this size:

http://www.knfilters.com/search/prod...x?Prod=RU-5111

PART NUMBER: RU-5111

I should be able to show pics of everything installed tomorrow.

Grouch 04-13-2008 07:50 PM

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UPDATE: I used K&N part number RE-0930 and it fit perfectly (it's what I could get same day in-stock)

UPDATE: Intercooler will need to be relocated no matter what CAI you use with the GReddy T-kit, but it's easy but probably took me an extra 30 min. at least and cost an extra 10 bucks for that holy angle bar from home depot to make a bracket for each side. All you need is a good pair of metal snips and pliers to bend the thing and a hacksaw to cut it.

UPDATE: One of the 90 degree elbows needs to be cut. From the outside measure 2 and 3/4" and mark it and on the inside measure 2 and 3/8" and mark it, cut with hacksaw, extra ten seconds of work.

Check out all the pics! Twelve more in total! It's totally done now.

Grouch 04-13-2008 07:54 PM

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in these pics it shows the left and right side brackets, the front view of the installed air filter and the top view of the elbows

Grouch 04-13-2008 07:58 PM

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Here's a pic of the side view of the air filter and how it's perfectly parallel to the intercooler. what a perfect choice and it's not super small either! also there's pics of the front of the relocated intercooler, and when you put your front bumper on, the intercooler is now visible. no more sleeper.

mysql 04-13-2008 07:59 PM

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I bought 2 of these from home depot, and bent them into a Z shape to hold the intercooler in that position. Then just drilled holes so they fit. It's not pretty, but you can't see it unless the front bumper is off. They're very thick, maybe 18 gauge?

The nice thing about the intercooler relocation is that the top 1" or so of the intercooler that was useless behind the low impact bumper is now getting airflow. I just don't know if the flow is as good at the 35 degree angle as it was before, but I haven't had any issues.

turborx8 04-13-2008 08:19 PM

Great pictures.

You really need to let us know if this mod improved the crazy rich fuel at WOT with the AccessPort!!! :)

MazdaManiac 04-13-2008 08:25 PM

"Crazy rich" WOT is just wrong, whatever the reason.
I still need good data for your condition.
It is likely you do not have a calibration that handles your MAF tube correctly.

turborx8 04-13-2008 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2404691)
"Crazy rich" WOT is just wrong, whatever the reason.
I still need good data for your condition.
It is likely you do not have a calibration that handles your MAF tube correctly.

My wbo2 display's 10.0 when I start to get into boost and the engine stumbles because it’s literally choking on fuel.

I realise you are busy and on the road so when you get back I would love to try a different map.

I might even have my Mazsport CAI before then.

MazdaManiac 04-13-2008 08:45 PM

Which calibration are you running right now?

mysql 04-13-2008 08:49 PM

he's running with the greddy maf housing. It will get rich in boost. That's just how it reacts.

I've got several days under my belt with the 5.0 map, and I still have 0 LTFT. It's spot on except for my stumbling issue at high load and high boost.

btw, Jeff, are you getting my SMS messages?! heh.

turborx8 04-13-2008 09:52 PM


Originally Posted by MazdaManiac (Post 2404715)
Which calibration are you running right now?

MM 2005 MT TURBO v1b_1b


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