Originally Posted by strokercharged95gt
(Post 4887950)
Here's what I did to fix my problems.
Looks like crap, but I was driving around last weekend with a damn near 90 F ambient and water temps were consistently 185 while driving. At stop lights temp fluctuates between 206-216 because I still have factory fans and factory fan presets. Doing anything that kept the FMIC the normal and my temp gauge would move towards "Chernobyl". |
On a positive note...boost profile is coming back into form...
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https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...a020cba4e6.jpg |
Originally Posted by strokercharged95gt
(Post 4887950)
Here's what I did to fix my problems.
Looks like crap, but I was driving around last weekend with a damn near 90 F ambient and water temps were consistently 185 while driving. At stop lights temp fluctuates between 206-216 because I still have factory fans and factory fan presets. Doing anything that kept the FMIC the normal and my temp gauge would move towards "Chernobyl". |
I charted it somewhere in my post. IATs spiked higher (by about double) and were slower to return back to normal following a boosted run, which was to be expected. Mazda didn't do us any favors with this car. #blackrx8sarefastest
Just looking above at one of my previous post, my IATs went from 98 to 140 during that 12.5 second pull at 22 psi. Water temps went up 9 F and IATs went up 42 F...That was 60% ethanol and water/methanol injection. Couldn't imagine what it would be without either... |
Originally Posted by jcbrx8
(Post 4887959)
On a positive note...boost profile is coming back into form...
Looks like you managed to stop the boost drop off at high rpm .... how did you do that ? |
Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4887978)
Nice ! Overlaying like that is really telling the story ;) !
Looks like you managed to stop the boost drop off at high rpm .... how did you do that ? Working on v-mounting my IC at the moment. Just a temporary mock-up to test... similar to Stroker's design. If temps work out maybe I won't need that 8" IC after all. :fingersx: |
So, over the weekend I ducted, sealed and mounted my IC in a v-mount configuration ...but temps didn't change much. :sad: I also observed in this configuration that when the fans turned on they were reversing "top to bottom" airflow through the IC to "bottom to top", again overwhelming the little "Koyo rad that could:" So, I found it beneficial to install a partition dividing the incoming air: air flowing over the top being directed to the rad, and... bottom area to the IC; to stop the fans from reversing airflow through the IC. Even still... the Koyorad just doesn't provide sufficient system cooling capacity in 90F+ ambient temps. :nono: When the DP rad was installed earlier this year, albeit in 55F weather, system running temps were ~180-185F, w/ no boosted run issues.
Additionally, I tested and discovered that my thermostat is going...sticking and not initially opening until ~ 210F (though indications are that it remains open after that.) :eek: So, this week I'm repairing the leaks in my dual-pass rad while a new thermostat is on order. When received the new thermostat and DP rad., sealed and ducted in a v-mount config., w/b going in. Then we'll see...:fingersx: EDIT 1: Correcting the record here. I found later, post #319, that a bad thermostat was the root cause of my overheating issues. Once replaced the Koyo rad, ducted & sealed, was found to provide sufficient cooling capacity. EDIT 2: For any who care to share...I'd be interested to know what radiator set-ups and normal coolant temps others are running that live in climates seeing 90F+ ambient temps.
. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...84b11ebf52.jpg V-mounted IC . |
One of the things I don't like about this style v mount with the stock bumper .............. you block off ALL the air that used to go to the rad. and replace that with a smaller opening that has to be split to go in two directions . If you had the Mazdaspeed bumper ......that would probably work better. IMO
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4888380)
One of the things I don't like about this style v mount with the stock bumper .............. you block off ALL the air that used to go to the rad. and replace that with a smaller opening that has to be split to go in two directions . If you had the Mazdaspeed bumper ......that would probably work better. IMO
But without testing... seems 6 in one hand, half dozen in the other: - With the IC front mounted you can direct the bottom opening air to the rad., but all the IC heat exhausts thru the rad as well. Counterproductive. - With the IC v-mounted you lose bottom opening air to rad (w/the stock bumper) but the IC heated air is exhausted under the car (and does not impact coolant temp). I received my 8" IC today. So, plan to experiment a bit with both configs.. |
Running with stock radiator and two OEM oil coolers I have no temp issues in the summer when it hits around 90F (32C). The bottom of my IC sits flush with the top of the wide opening at the bottom of the OEM bumper. This leaves a foot sized gap below the IC (about 4") for air to get a straight shot into the radiator.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...7e6c2844b8.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...ce196e0a58.jpg In your situation I would either cut 1-2" off the top off your IC and get the end tanks re-welded, or purchase a shorter IC (similar width and depth). This should create a lot of airflow underneath the IC to the radiator. |
Here's my observation indicating my failing thermostat operation.
These were taken after starting and allowing my 8 to idle in the garage ~ 7-8 min... until seeing my Profec exit coolant temp gauge needle move... indicating opening of the thermostat. Vid is Profec needle movement on thermostat opening. First pic is inlet coolant temp the moment the thermostat opens. Second pic is inlet coolant temp ~30 sec later. Hmmm, that's not right...:suspect: Profec initial moment after thermostat opens: https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2a3531961f.png Coolant temp the moment thermostat opens: 221F. v v https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...2b9b72a4d0.png Coolant temp ~30sec after thermostat opens: 201F. v |
I'm definitely going to take a lesson from Stroker and JimmyB...and cut away more of my crash bar horizontal a la Stroker's shown below to maximize airflow to the rad & IC. :yesnod:
Jimmy - btw...Good looking 8! Tastefully done. :icon_tup:
Originally Posted by strokercharged95gt
(Post 4887950)
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Originally Posted by JimmyBlack
(Post 4888388)
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I chose to leave my crash bar intact (it's a JDM one which isn't as tall as the USDM one) because ................IDK ..................... there's a word in it's name that kinda alerted me as to why it's even there.
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Pretty sure I put my crash bar back on after the initial mock up - the pic is just to give an idea of an effective location for the IC. I recommend retaining the crash bar!
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4888453)
I chose to leave my crash bar intact (it's a JDM one which isn't as tall as the USDM one) because ................IDK ..................... there's a word in it's name that kinda alerted me as to why it's even there.
Originally Posted by JimmyBlack
(Post 4888462)
Pretty sure I put my crash bar back on after the initial mock up - the pic is just to give an idea of an effective location for the IC. I recommend retaining the crash bar!
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4888466)
Easily solved; call it a crash intercooler :eyetwitch
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Update:
Found the culprit...bad thermostat. :icon_tup: Came out in three pieces. :suspect: Swapped in the new Mishimoto, topped up the coolant, and went for a cruise. In 91 F ambient temperature...
. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...47efb78d38.jpg Old thermostat...in 3 pcs v v https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...4ec14abd64.png ~175 F cruising temps v v https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rx8...dba1d151c0.jpg 190 F exit in 91 F ambient v |
Its crazy to think that something so cheap could cause so many headaches. Glad you found the source of the problems.
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Originally Posted by Xero Ryuu
(Post 4888628)
Its crazy to think that something so cheap could cause so many headaches. Glad you found the source of the problems.
Cooling capacity is good now..., but w/b even better after reinstalling my dual pass rad, I repaired yesterday, & new Treadstone 8" IC ...sealed up w/ my new aluminum undertray. :yesnod: |
Where did you pick up a dual pass rad? The koyo is single pass but I also saw a triple pass on summit. Would it even be worth investing in a triple?
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Originally Posted by Rkesh88
(Post 4888662)
Where did you pick up a dual pass rad? The koyo is single pass but I also saw a triple pass on summit. Would it even be worth investing in a triple?
I got my DP from RX8Performance. It's designed for the RX8, and properly ducted & sealed...provides plenty of cooling potential. https://www.rx8performance.com/produ...mance-radiator I've no experience / information on a triple-pass rad. |
Once you have made a couple of passes and got nowhere ....another one isn't going to change her mind. Wait .................................................. .........what ?
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Originally Posted by Brettus
(Post 4888666)
Once you have made a couple of passes and got nowhere ....another one isn't going to change her mind. Wait .................................................. .........what ?
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Originally Posted by jcbrx8
(Post 4888420)
I'm definitely going to take a lesson from Stroker and JimmyB...and cut away more of my crash bar horizontal a la Stroker's shown below to maximize airflow to the rad & IC. :yesnod:
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
(Post 4888671)
Well it really only serves mostly the 5 MPH crash test law here in the US. I would at least modify it. If you project straight out from the chassis sheet metal opening in front of the radiator you can see that the lower half of the center bar is blocking the top of that opening. So I would cut the bottom half section out of the center bar to at least match that opening and then seal it up with a new bottom plate.
But now... since installing my new thermo and my coolant system performing so well... even before reinstalling my DP rad, 8" IC, and aluminum undertray...; I dont believe I need to do anything further to it now. :cool: |
Originally Posted by jcbrx8
(Post 4888675)
I dont believe I need to do anything further to it now. :cool:
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