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blackenedwings 11-06-2008 07:22 PM

So jealous...brain hurts.... ....I mean, congratulations. :)

Brettus 11-06-2008 09:00 PM


Originally Posted by atl8 (Post 2715922)
The coil dwell is in milliseconds, so 395 is .395ms, which is the stock value across all voltages at 9000. I've seen Scott recommend using values of 3-3.5ms for FI, and how 2.0 is "adequate" for NA applications. But I've never seen the actual ratings for the Mazsport coils posted anywhere.

Regardless, the stock table interpolates the values from highest value top down by battery voltage, and right to left by RPM so I find it unlikely that 3000 or 3500 would be what you'd want to set it to at 9K.

Yeah - talked with Hymee about that . We think the stock table is ms x100
so 395 = 3.95ms .
Going back to first principles ....
at 9000 rpm we have 3000 rpm of the rotor but 3 firings per rev so 9000 firings per min = 1 firing every 6.7ms
So the stock dwell of 3.95ms makes sense
Also at 1000rpm we have a firing every 60ms and the table is 1800 at 1000rpm .
Again 18ms of dwell would make sense there as well . 0.18ms or 1.8ms does not .

rotarenvy 11-07-2008 03:47 AM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 2713881)
288 is ok at 8.5 and a fair indicator of power. I have at times seen close to 300 at around 8.5-8.7. Not comparing now--it doesnt mean mine is better etc etc.
...
OD

so has anyone referenced 280-290g/s (kind of need to know @ what rpm too) to a dyno reading?

Brettus 11-10-2008 05:03 PM

Latest runs show i'm getting 300g/s

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...8/MAFchart.jpg

Brettus 11-10-2008 09:47 PM

Getting AFRs pretty well nailed ...

Boost is currently 7.5psi up to about 6000rpm then tapering down to 5.1psi at 8250rpm

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...x8/AFRtune.jpg

Easy_E1 11-10-2008 09:53 PM

Get those numbers up to the 12.3's and you should be happy.

05rex8 11-10-2008 09:57 PM

congrats man, I wish my AFR's were that close!

Brettus 11-10-2008 10:00 PM

Do you think that will give me a few extra horsies ?

Easy_E1 11-10-2008 10:03 PM

12 to 12.3 will get you more HP. On the edge though.

Brettus 11-11-2008 07:40 PM

You asked for the videos so here goes .
First one is through the gears , not really trying i get 0-160km/hr in 12.7 sec . Would be under 12s if i took it to 9k in third !!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkiV4sgu65E


This one is from when I was still NA , 0-160km/hr in 15.7sec with one less gear change (higher red line)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlvSC_8N-Y

If you have them both open at once and click on the Turbo one after the NA has been running 4sec you will get a good idea of the difference .

05rex8 11-11-2008 08:46 PM

nice!

zoom44 11-11-2008 09:28 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 2712346)
I'm seeing 288 g/s MAF at 8500 - what do you see and is this an indication of the power output ?


in my experience in this car G/S is nearly exactly the flywheel HP

zoom44 11-11-2008 09:36 PM

oh and good on ya Brettus:D:

Brettus 11-11-2008 09:41 PM

cheers for that zoom . Dyno is booked for tomorrow afternoon ;)

mysql 11-11-2008 09:54 PM

Here's one of mine to compare. I was down over 40 whp on the dyno with this configuration.

Code:

Coolant        MAF        ThrottleO2        Load        IAT        RPM        MPH
203        241.43        100        12.07        86.67        93        5668        59.03
203        248.71        100        12.06        86.27        93        5779        60.28
203        250.98        100        12.18        86.27        93        5869        61.52
203        256.99        100        12.39        86.67        93        5959        62.14
203        261.31        100        12.55        85.88        93        6069        63.38
203        263.7        100        12.62        85.49        93        6153        64.63
203        270.9        100        12.48        84.71        93        6256        65.25
203        270.9        100        12.27        83.92        93        6334        66.49
203        265.14        100        12.14        81.57        93        6436        67.11
203        271.38        100        12.66        81.18        93        6542        68.35
203        277.14        100        12.74        81.57        93        6648        69.6
203        289.79        100        12.5        83.53        93        6743        70.84
203        295.88        100        12.43        83.53        93        6860        71.46
203        301.48        100        12.29        82.75        93        6970        72.7
203        309.97        100        12.29        82.75        93        7062        73.33
203        305.7        100        12.22        83.14        93        7138        74.57
203        314.24        100        12.09        83.14        93        7239        75.81
203        314.24        100        11.99        82.35        93        7340        76.43
203        324.02        100        11.85        82.35        93        7410        77.68
203        317.98        100        11.64        80        93        7510        78.3
203        318.51        100        11.65        80.39        93        7557        78.92
204.8        321.25        100        11.68        79.61        93        7673        80.16
204.8        322.91        100        11.78        77.65        93        7785        80.78
203        331.24        80        11.82        78.04        93        7786        82.02
204.8        318.54        24.31        11.35        65.88        93        7847        81.4
204.8        27        3.92        11.87        14.51        93        7327        81.4
204.8        33.41        3.53        11.33        8.63        93        6888        80.78


mysql 11-11-2008 09:57 PM

^ That's with the AccessPort btw.

Brettus 11-11-2008 10:33 PM

/\ quite a noticable difference - what PSI were you running ?

A little experiment . The Greddy gives peak power at around 6krpm so I thought I would try some short shifting to see if it is worth going past 7k shift point.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ItRibHBMLc

Result 13.0s flat 0-160km/hr . A tad slower but in the same ballpark - interesting . I think i'll shift around 7500 at the track

swoope 11-11-2008 10:37 PM

olddragger shifts at the same point on the track with the pettit kit.. :)

the fi takes all the shifting out of track days!!! :)

beers :beer:

mysql 11-11-2008 10:48 PM

2 Attachment(s)
OK, here's the dyno run when I was really down on HP. I also data logged and video tapped it.

The MAF and RPM numbers that were logged during the dyno session:

Code:

MAF    RPM
302.01        6622
309.97        6719
316.38        6791
317.45        6896
331.24        7007
335.13        7094
339.07        7202
340.78        7287
343.07        7393
344.21        7492
331.24        8085

It's going to be difficult to make sense of this since the car wasn't working properly. I guess this is a good example what it looks like with the AP and not setting the dwell on the "upgrade" coils. So with properly functioning coils the same g/sec would likely have produced more power. I don't have data logs of previous dyno runs to compare unfortunately.

Here is the video footage of the dyno run: http://tyrannical.org/baddyno.wmv

You can hear it breaking up..

And finally, here's the dyno chart (I'm also including the raw .csv and .drf):

zoom44 11-11-2008 11:02 PM

317.98 g/s @ 7500 from the first post

vs

344.21 g/s at 7492 in you latest post

you're off nearly 30 g/s just between these 2 runs and you say the second post is low as well?

mysql 11-11-2008 11:11 PM

boost levels are likely different. I was only data logging because the car wasn't running properly. Otherwise I wouldn't have bothered making logs..

I posted the wrong dyno picture earlier, so I've corrected it and included the raw log from the data logger and the dynojet .drf file.

zoom44 11-11-2008 11:12 PM

gotcha

Brettus 11-12-2008 12:12 AM


Originally Posted by mysql (Post 2722147)
. I guess this is a good example what it looks like with the AP and not setting the dwell on the "upgrade" coils.

just speculating here .... My Mazsport coils have been good with stock dwell settings up to 8psi (so far) .
So ...... it seems your problem is more likely caused by wrong dwell when you were running the Int x .
Stock dwell seems ok . If anyone can shed more light on this i'm all ears .

mysql 11-12-2008 06:16 AM

That is completely possible.

Brettus 11-12-2008 10:26 PM

Here is the dyno
Red line is without the boost controller.
Blue line is with boost set to 8PSI
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s.../TurboDyno.jpg

Impressed with the top end vs the stock Greddy
The peak number is OK but not startling 193kw = 259hp


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