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Kane 11-02-2008 02:47 AM

WOOT!!!!! It makes the car a whole new level of fun eh?

Brettus 11-02-2008 02:58 AM

Dang right there - sooo tempting to take it all the way but concerned about if the Mazsport coils on factory dwell will do an mysql on me - heh .

also have a lean spot at 3700 which i can't get rid of - will see if Hymee can stage the secondary injectors in a little earlier ...

Kane 11-02-2008 02:59 AM

Yeah that would be bad. Time for the neverending cycle of tuning and changing parts....... MUUUHAHAHAHAAH :evil_laug

Brettus 11-02-2008 03:03 AM

my wife thinks it's all finished mwahaha

Kane 11-02-2008 03:20 AM

Get her a tuner car..... now I can spend lots of money without getting yelled at - it just has to be on her ride.... LOLOL

yushinrt 11-02-2008 07:00 AM

how did you got with tuneing just with the powermod ??
you have to take me for a drive sometime, and did you have anyluck with your barke pads ?

mysql 11-02-2008 07:44 AM

heh. 5 psi is like 240 whp. You haven't seen anything yet!

Brettus 11-04-2008 08:19 AM

Drove over to Thames yesterday to get Dave (rotorman) to reflash the ecu

After much dicking around and frantic phonecalls to Hymee (who was in the middle of Melbourne cup celebrations). We Did It !!!!!

In one foul swoop (sorry Swoope) we did the following

Reduced the redline to 8500
Turned on the fans on earlier
ELIMINATED THE SPEED LIMITER (that has plagued me all this time )
Loaded a SC map for boost

I was quite stunned to find Hymees' map got me almost spot on AFRs immeadiately - and amazingly consistent all the way to the redline . I'd never seen it as good in all my stuffing about with N/A tuning.
Will post a graph later .

So how does it drive - I'ts like OEM but with heaps more power everywhere in the rev range. That is probably the best way to descibe it .
I have not heard this from other FI guys but the motor now feels so much smoother than when it was NA . Acceleration just seems so effortless - kind of like having a v8 under the bonnet (but better) .

Today I start playing with the boost controller - aiming for 8 psi .


Big thanks to Dave for persevering - it was definately worth it !
And to Hymee - hope we didn't drag you away from the champagne and strawberries for too long :)

mysql 11-04-2008 08:23 AM

If the map is based on airflow... more airflow = more fuel, thus the sc map should work well on your turbo car.

remember, for the gains you feel now, the 3071R literally doubles it.

Brettus 11-04-2008 08:26 AM

I'm seeing 288 g/s MAF at 8500 - what do you see and is this an indication of the power output ?

swoope 11-04-2008 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 2712339)
ELIMINATED THE SPEED LIMITER (that has plagued me all this time )



Big thanks to Dave for persevering - it was definately worth it !
And to Hymee - hope we didn't drag you away from the champagne and strawberries for too long :)

great to hear brett!! and the speed limiter, has to be huge for you! ;)

beers :beer:

olddragger 11-05-2008 10:25 AM

288 is ok at 8.5 and a fair indicator of power. I have at times seen close to 300 at around 8.5-8.7. Not comparing now--it doesnt mean mine is better etc etc.
Since you now have some torque(remember that?) dont load the engine below 3-3.5K. Its easy to do because the power is there. But the engine actually does not like low rpms. centrifucal(spelling and I dont care:)) force is our friend!
OD

Brettus 11-05-2008 02:18 PM


Originally Posted by olddragger (Post 2713881)
Since you now have some torque(remember that?) dont load the engine below 3-3.5K. Its easy to do because the power is there. But the engine actually does not like low rpms. OD

Why is that ? Mine feel comfortable at low rpm - it's not like it is labouring or anything .

mysql 11-05-2008 02:19 PM

boost in low rpm is fine... but because the rpm is low and all, it's not like you'll be able to make 300 whp there.

Jedi54 11-05-2008 03:10 PM

Grats Brettus, must be a BLAST to drive!

rotary.enthusiast 11-05-2008 03:35 PM


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 2714155)
Why is that ? Mine feel comfortable at low rpm - it's not like it is labouring or anything .

You may want to take a look at the OMP values and adjust if you think it might be necessary based on where your car is now making torque. I can't recall what the stock table looks like... it's possible it's fine as is.

Brettus 11-05-2008 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by rotary.enthusiast (Post 2714277)
You may want to take a look at the OMP values and adjust if you think it might be necessary based on where your car is now making torque. I can't recall what the stock table looks like... it's possible it's fine as is.


Pretty sure Hymee has upped all the OMP settings with his SC map and I premix as well so I think i'll be OK

Brettus 11-05-2008 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2714224)
Grats Brettus, must be a BLAST to drive!

Yes - yes it is :)
Unfortunately my Laptop died on the way home from Rotormans' place so i haven't done any more tuning with boost controller :(

a_ahlan 11-06-2008 01:24 AM

Brettus,

I believe Hymee has already found a way to edit the DWELL for Mazsport Ignition Solution.

Congrats on the turbo kit and the speed de-limiter!


Anji.

swoope 11-06-2008 01:27 AM

hey brett,

how does it feel to go over 125mph? cause i know you have done it! ;)

beers :beer:

Brettus 11-06-2008 02:12 AM

Well yes , but it was on a private road - of course ;) .

Brettus 11-06-2008 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by a_ahlan (Post 2714946)
Brettus,

I believe Hymee has already found a way to edit the DWELL for Mazsport Ignition Solution.

Congrats on the turbo kit and the speed de-limiter!


Anji.

Yes - I looked at the dwell maps and found the lowest number on them was 395 at 9000rpm (which is probably 3.95ms ? ) and is more than Scott recomended for his coils at 3.5ms . So i left it as is . Was a little nervous about it but it all seems good so far at 6psi ....
This does raise some interesting questions about mysql's issue but I'll leave that for another thread.

olddragger 11-06-2008 10:42 AM

our seals use centrifigul force to help seal everything.--faster you spin the rotors the tighter/better the sealing --to a certain point of course..
Most folks more experienced than I have told me to not lug the engine--even though now you have the power to comfortably accelerate in 6th gear while at 2K-- it doesnt mean that it is a good thing to do. Blow by etc were listed as reasons not to.
Actually also-- in theory --detonation is also more likely to occur at lower rpms.
Besides its one hell of a lot more fun to wind that baby up a little!
OD

Brettus 11-06-2008 02:24 PM

Tried running with the BOV venting to atmosphere this morning so I could hear the pssssssh noise . heh .
I was deccelerating past a bunch of school kids and it let out an almighty backfire scaring the crap out of poor little tykes .
Runs heaps better on recirc so I'll leave the pssssh noises to the boy racers .

atl8 11-06-2008 06:58 PM

The coil dwell is in milliseconds, so 395 is .395ms, which is the stock value across all voltages at 9000. I've seen Scott recommend using values of 3-3.5ms for FI, and how 2.0 is "adequate" for NA applications. But I've never seen the actual ratings for the Mazsport coils posted anywhere.

Regardless, the stock table interpolates the values from highest value top down by battery voltage, and right to left by RPM so I find it unlikely that 3000 or 3500 would be what you'd want to set it to at 9K.


Originally Posted by Brettus (Post 2714965)
Yes - I looked at the dwell maps and found the lowest number on them was 395 at 9000rpm (which is probably 3.95ms ? ) and is more than Scott recomended for his coils at 3.5ms . So i left it as is . Was a little nervous about it but it all seems good so far at 6psi .....



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