I wasn't looking for a deadline...just a general timeline of how he thought things would role out.

Exactly what I was looking for...thanks very much RP.

 

Ya know, if I were mazda I would be looking to purchase these sc's from RP for the mazdaspeed version . . . keep the car entirely unique . . . but that is just me

 

Within the next 3 years Richard plans to have this out.

 

Keep it up Ice and that Miata will stay without. Then Kari will cut you off, and you will be as humble as a school boy.

 

takes a lot of nerve to say something like that... especially since Richard doesn't have a test car. He's made a lot of strides in building this thing from the ground up and not with off the shelf parts like most companies.. show a little support, it only makes it better for all of us

 

Almost as soon as SSR, PTP, and all the other companies working on forced induction systems for the past year with no finished product. None of them is actually designing and building the turbo itself either. They are just fabbing up parts and using what is already available.

Richard, you need a 3 letter initial name for your setup too! That seems to be the trend. 3 letters is cool apparently. I forgot STS. How about RPS (Richard Paul Systems), or AFE (Axial Flow Engineering)? The last one might work!

My favorite non 3 letter abbreviation would be the (A)xialflow richard (P)aul (E)ngineered (S)uperc(H)arged (I)nduction (T)urbine or APESHIT for short!

 

That is the funniest thing I've heard in weeks
:D

 

You are a sick sick man.

How about:
Frictionless Axialflow Superchaging Technology (FAST)

I dont think it's really frictionless.. I just needed something to use for F rather than "Fuckinawesome"

Wait..

****** Awesome Supercharging Technology.

There we go. I'm sure that'll please the rice kiddos.

 

Gee RG, you could write those kinda titles for the Feds.
Think I could still use that one in polite company?

Ajax is right on for the ricers. I'd sell it just so they could have the sticker. Hell with that I'll just sell stickers.

 

OMG Ice, now I know why you're on the rag.
Don't worry Kari, just have to brush my teeth and shave, I'm on my way.

 

I didn't say when within the next three years :D

 

Richard Paul...

Not trying to be a pain here.. But seems like your solution would not suffer from the ECU problems most have. And it seems like you had a working prototype a few months after your first post back in May. Since then that unit has had a barage of pics taken of it and a bunch of noise tests and RPM tests...
So can I ask (Without reading all 900 posts on this thred) why it has taken sooo long and still no working pre-production sample yet?

Your posts make it sound like plug it in line and let it rip (short of some fuel delivery tweaks).

Thanks..

 

8, We are looking for a car to buy right now. There are some packaging problems that need solving. I still havn't decided if the air will go in the front or rear. There are some real funny things going on with the MAF thingie. My thought is that there must be so much un turbulated air going into this thing then some non bent duct after it. That by itself is going to be a major engineering project.

PLEEEEZZE God give me a Weber and a distributor. Then I'd have you on the road in a month.

 

I would be interested to hear you reasoning for this?

Cheers,
Hymee.

 

Because he's a perfectionist and rightly so. This isn't something that has had 50 years in development for auto's like the turbo or supercharger. It's the first of its kind to be implemented in this fashion and for those of us who develop anything, the rule is get it right the first time because it's much more expensive to make changes down the road.

Richard also has a business to run and currently this supercharger (because it is in development) is not bringing in cash to pay the bills. He has other work to do at the same time.

Patience..

 

Agreed. Anything that gives the engine more air than it is expecting is going to cause ECU issues. Guitarjunkie and Snoochie are seeing exactly that by just porting the engine.

 

[QUOTE=8_is_enuf]Richard Paul...

(short of some fuel delivery tweaks).

Are you British? Because this is an understatment of biblical proportion.

 

Not British.. and not necissarily using your words, but what I (thought) I gathered from some of your earlier posts is that it would fall in line behind the MAF sensor, that many of the issues others have experienced would not occur with this system. You would have to either beef up the rail or lower the boost. So far - neither have happened.

Again -- I have no idea what it takes to accomplish this -- I can only say that you made your design sound so much better because it was simple to deploy... I thought - this one could actually work and we'll likely see it work soon.

Just wondering what I missed..

 

(Guys -- Really -- Don't take this as me being an A-hole-- I really am just curious... This solution seemed so simplistic... Maybe I read it wrong..)

 

He originally started the thread saying he was about to design a system for the RX-8. Unlike many other systems that have to fabricated, he actually is designing a system for the Renesis rotary engine and not some generic bolt on piece. The original pictures that were posted were not of the RX-8 unit but rather of one for the 1.8 liter Honda engines. He did post some early pictures of the new unit but it is only just now getting finalized from a build standpoint. Now he needs a car to test it on and he doesn't have one. So far all of his testing has been through 3rd parties. when you use other people's things, you need to be accomodating to their schedules. It would help things along if they were in the same city too. Richard also has been making short throw shifters and other daily machining business which is what currently pays the bills. Up to this point, the supercharger has not.

As has been pointed out, there are some ecu issues to resolve. Unfortunately without a car in his possession, this is very difficult. Final orientation of the blower case itself is also still in question. The current prototype unit places the inlet at the rear which will make a 180 degree bend necessary for the intake. This takes up alot of space and needs to be dealt with as well. The other option he is playing with is to have a front inlet with a rear outlet. Very early in the thread he had a picture of a V-8 mounted supercharger with the inlet in the front. This is the alternative method. The issue will be can he get the needed inlet area in this location or will it be a restriction? This method, if possible, would make mounting in the car and piping much easier. Speaking of mounting, he hasn't even workied on that part yet. He obviously needs a car for that. Once he determines the layout and works out how it will mount, then he needs to actually do the on car testing. What if he gets all the ecu issues resolved and tuned but finds the engine flows differently than what he thought? If this happens, the unit itself gets a redesign. Hopefully he got it right though.

All of this takes time. If he had a car instead of relying on others for testing, he could have it done much faster. Think of this as watching a new car or some other piece of engineering being born from day one. That's what this is. By comparison, every other system being worked on out there is just assembling parts. This is inventing the parts before they are assembled. Regardless, this system isn't taking an appreciable amount of time longer than any of the other systems out there. Sometimes when you want to do something right, it takes a long time. Rest assured when this is done, it will be correct.

 

Long story short... He is in need of his own car.. And this is a side project.... But thanks for the long story...

 

Yes, But check out my shifter. on it's own thread. It's going into production now. And new today is the shift **** which everyone is going to love. I know they are not hi tech but that is the point, the SC is very high tech and takes alot of energy.

 

Nice ****, richard :b

 

hey Richard? have you given a thought to calling upon Jim Mederer at Racing Beat? i believe they still have their Renesis engine on their engine dyno. i read somewhere they will be taking it off soon to prep for a different project but maybe you could get some dyno time in on that engine before they do? just a thought......

 

i bet Jim would love to see your AFS