Looks really are purely subjective. After seeing how Veilside had butchered the beautiful lines of the FD... I really hope not to see them make kits for RX-8s. I'm more curious to see how RE Amemiya, Feed, and perhaps C-West do with the bodykits. All this talk about whether or not it helps gain performance is really not going to make a difference as most (90+%) buy bodykits based on appearance alone.

90% are ricers;10% know what works.
By the way veilside kills c-west in looks, and c-west/amemiya aren't windtunnel proof so they just ricey and adds nothing to performance.

I beleive that's a false statement. Besides the fact that c-west kits look much better than a veilside fd, C-west and Amemiya ARE wind tunnel tested and infact are showcased in many japanese racing circuits. Veilsides aren't.

Funny u say that... It seems that those 90% that are ricers are usually buying kits that are either Veilside, their knockoffs, or combat body kits. the 10% that know what works go with real quality bodykits such as c-west and RE-Amemiya... Miata35 pretty much hit the nail on the head.

I have never heard that c-west and amemiyah are windtunnel proof. Show me a site plz that says that c-west and amemiya are windtunneled, and ur comparing Veilside FD to Amemiya FD. Ok, the rx-7 veilside do look a lil bland and it wont hit the amemiya rx-7 kit that I'll admit, BUT have u check out the rsx kit/nissan Z "the suttle one"/supra wide body /integ kit/ s2000 kit they are knock out gorgeous. Also Veilside are very expensive; they can cost up to $20,000 about a car...no 90% of those aren't veilside owners they can't afford it... C-west on the other hand about a grand... U think 90 percent of population can afford it? I don't think so.

If you show me where in Veilside's website or any proof that Veilside does windtunnel testing (I've tried searching to verify the fact) I'll take back some of the things I may have said. The thing is, I browsed through their website... None of the bodykits came close to $20000... Most of these bodykits have prices total under $10k... Closest to the $20k mark is the Supra and the Ferrari listed on their website... Although, certainly not THAT cheap, they certainly aren't as expensive as you made it out to be. Besides, I never said 90% can only afford Veilside alone... I did mention knockoffs and whatever... I could be more specific and maybe I should've been. I'll admit, some of the cars do look decent... Ah well, what's the sense of arguing...

The initial question was if Veilside should make kits for the RX-8... Most RX-7 enthusiasts would definitely go against it, and even most of that crowd would be against a bodykit anyway. After seeing what Veilside did to the precious looking FD, I don't want to imagine the looks of an RX-8 kit. Like I said, purely subjective. RX-7 owners like companies they can trust, in this case most of them like RE-Amemiya, Feed, C-West, KnightSport, Mazdaspeed.

veilside website is mainly for sales. For semi proof on veilside do windtunnels go bottom page. http://www.skylinesdownunder.co.nz/t...ykits_www.html

Nawh I wasn't even trying to argue I am just enjoying having this kind of discussion. If veilside makes a bodykit for rx-8? HUH? U mean will they make a kit for the rx-8. With their great reputation I think they should; looking good and aiding perfomance is a +. The question is ere go will it look good or will it look bland like the FD.

Looks are subjective but u can usually tell which looks nice which doesn't. Now if u say a kia with giant spoilers, combat kit, 20 in chromes, weed wacker exhaust, and bunch of stickers now yeh ok I say that looks stupid and slows u down. But if you say oh that looks ricey but it adds aid to perfomance you can only talk about its looks and that can only go so far...

Please explain how a Formula1 car can top 200 mph while only weighing 1300 lbs. Without all that weight, it should be flying backwards, right? ;) In truth - weight has nothing to do with top speed - it's strictly a function of power, drag, and frontal area. If you increase the frontal area (which is, put simply, width times height of the car body) there is more drag and the car goes slower, not faster. Downforce vs. lift can also be a factor, but weight has nothing to do with that - you mention the Saleen, which generates genuine downforce as does an F1 car. 99% of bodykits and spoilers on show cars like sport compact cars (I'm trying to be nice and avoid the 'rice' word here!) just add extra drag and frontal area, and do nothing to reduce lift (nevermind generating downforce). Speaking of frontal area -

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Because of greater frontal area??? Have u look at the the body kit??? Its not just the front end... sigh. Like I said again why would a company like veilside/mugen/spoon waste thousands of dollars for a few hours of the windtunnel just to say its useless...Now that's not good marketing and thats just waste of money.

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Sorry, but this statement makes it obvious that you don't understand what frontal area is - without that understanding, it's no wonder that these stupid marketing claims can make an impression on you. You ask why would a company like Veilside claim to spend $$$ in a windtunnel? Because it's exactly good marketing, and their claim has nothing to do with engineering and aerodynamics. Let's see - they impressed you, right? Lots of people think "Wind tunnel tested, yeah, it must be good!" Yet does their ads state anywhere what those windtunnel results were? Show me proof, windtunnel results, of changes in drag coefficient and overall drag and reduction in lift as a result of installing one of their body kits on a car. I have a degree in Mechanical Engineering, and studied aerodynamics and conducted wind tunnel tests myself - I can guarantee that a Veilside kit will increase overall drag on any car it's installed on, without needing to put it in a tunnel myself. It's basic engineering principles that prove that. Those kits are all about show, period.

Regards,
Gordon

thanks for the backup, Gord.

Well, at least we got all we wanted to say out of the way. WHo hooks up a kia anyway? I'd sell it and get me an FC and hook it up.

I like discussions. Ok, 1st I wasn't even looking at marketing; not once have I read their ads saying they do windtunnel just to sell their kits because they don't need to. Lets see with no add saying they do windtunnels yet they spend money on countless hours of windtunneling...Hmmm now how are they benefiting marketing if their not shouting out that they do windtunnels.

Ok frontal area please explain I would like to know.
Gah I have so much to say... P.M me when ur online. I would like to have a discussion with you.

Can you explain to me also on how can 4 cylinder toyota supra marks 200 mph on stock body. "top end supra gt 300 4 cylinder"

One last thing to add my friend has a veilside rsx and it improve his top end. He ran 14.4 "with just intake/exhaust add on," and he later got 14.1 with the same add on but with the veilside kit.

i thought supra's were inline 6's. And .3 seconds can be driver error or improved launch not really proof that the kit improved his car's aerodynamics.

Toyota went with a very high boost, small displacement four banger for the JGTC... i think they recieved some kind of weight reward for using the smaller engine.

in any case, they won last year, so they gotta be doing something right.

btw: you're right about the .3 seconds... making two runs down the 1320 isn't exactly a scientific test.

veilside rx8
 

its up on their website...i dont know how to capture it. But its on www.veilside.com
then click on USA, then click on news.


its a version 1 lip spoiler kit. Available in urethane...

Front:

Rear:

I think it looks O.K., but the Mazdaspeed looks better IMO.

-Mr. Wigggles

I think it looks real good, for just a lip all the way around.

what??????
this is weak for veilside
They make such awesome kits and this is very plain
the front looks almost stock and the sides are the same as factory sides but just two of them.
Is this final?

oh I see
its version 1 so their is more to come thank god

anyone see their kit for the evo, its nasty

ummm it's a lip spoiler kit. It's meant to be clean and simple. I'm sure if veilside has a full body kit for the car, there would be a lot more design involved.

oops well i posted before you edited...

personally i like the evo kit. very circuit typical kit.

Me no likey http://probetalk.com/forums/images/s...icon_shrug.gif

there definatly the worst side skirts i have seen 4 the 8..

My personal favorite is the V3 for the 350Z. That's freakin awsome!

i think its looks pretty sick...bet the other versions will look even crazier..have you guys seen all the versions for the 350z from veilside?