Brando

Since the other thread seems to be focused mainly on the Stage one kit I thought I'd start a new thread. Any updates as to when it will be ready?

Sin

Dont know what to tell ya, lots a views???

Omicron

I'd like an update too...

BaronVonBigmeat

What exactly is the difference between stage 1 and stage 2? As far as tuning goes, that is. I know about the no-cats or high flow cats.

Also, if I bought the stage 1 and went to the stage 2 later on...would I have basically thrown my money away on the stage 1? (in other words, are they using the same hardware but with different settings?)

JimW

BaronVonBigmeat, Omnicron,sin,brando: Yes you will be able to upgrade to stage 2, see the stage 1 shipping thread for further details.

Sin

Just saw it...sweet news!!!!!

Omicron

Stage I mostly modifies the air/fuel maps for the car, keeping them closer to the ideal ratio than the stock ECU does, which fluctuates wildly between too rich and too lean. Stage II does this too, but also modifies the ignition timing to optimize power. Problem is, if you advance the ignition timing to optimize performance, you also increase the exhaust temperatures enough that the stock cat cannot handle it, and will burn out prematurely. A high-temp cat is needed to handle the extra heat, and the higher flow is just an added benefit.

JimW

I can't wait!

ncsuteg

So a stage 2 is added mods to the ECU and a new CAT that can take it?

Is there any word at all on price or power that it could make?

If not I understand why, those poor fools are workin their tails off...

97 gsr

brothervoodoo

read this for some info in stage 2:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...threadid=14823

Speed Racer

I got a price list from Canzoomer a couple of days ago and this may answer some of your questions.

RXhusker

CZ's price list also shows a Stage 3 which appears to be similar to the Stage 2 but adds a multi-map feature. ($1,900.00 US)

I asked Maurice if I could order the Stage 2 and CZ-MidP-4 now and here is his response:

"Coming, but not quite yet. We have a bit more testing and thought to go into these, so probably end of January before we make the final announcement"

zerohour

Ive been wanting info too.........for a while now

RX8 <3

Im not very up to date and don't know a lot about all these aftermarket products, so please excuse my stupidity, since I live in cali I will have to worry about the emission, will the stage 2 or 3 fail the test like stage one does? Thanks

Omicron

Stage I will likely not fail emissions tests in any state, as it leaves the stock catalytic converter intact. Stages II and III, on the other hand, run the exhaust temps too high for the stock cat to survive... it literally will burn out. So they both require a replacment, high-temp cat, or no cat at all. While it's possible this new cat will let the car pass emissions "sniffers," in CA it's illegal to replace your cat with aftermarket one, so you're pretty much limited to just the Stage I mod.

Hope this helps.

TeKP

Its a federal law that prohibits you from replacing the stock cat except under limited circumstances.

Unfortunately, aftermarket modding is not one of them.

Aesculapius

Technically it's against EPA regulations to replace any of the exhaust system since the backpressures from stock exhaust contribute to the overall emissions signature of a car. Removing those backpressures with high flow exhaust will change that emission signature and is technically a no-no.

BUT, what they choose to enforce is a totally different story. I believe that it is the same with CHANGING a cat (not removing).

TeKP

I doubt anyone would legally care that you replaced the cat. I plan on replacing mine when the stage 2 comes out. I just hope the stealership doesn't whine about it.

brothervoodoo

They prob won't care until something gets screwed-up and then they'll try to void warranty....

JimW

O.k I decided against Geoff Knights electric supercharger, I just thought It would be to hard to put the car back to stock in case of warranty issues, when the car runs out of warranty then I will look further into his system if it is reliable and affordable. I am thinking of Canzoomers stage 2 mods though, I need to know how easy it will be to return the car to stock in case of warranty issues. is it easy to go back to the stock exhaust and cat or will this be detectable with certain welds and flanges, I like the idea of 55 WHP for the low price and this is more than enough power to make me happy, I just don't want my warranty voided in case there is a problem. I can't tell my wife I need $2000 for a new motor because the warranty is voided for that electric supercharger or ECU and CAT put in it, hell, I'd be cut off for months, I couldn't take it, I outgrew the Vasaline useage!

zerobanger

I run a mid pipe on my rx7 in california, been doing it for like 2 years as EVERYONE else does. NO big deal. It takes 25 minutes for me to jack the car up and change it out if I need to.

I dont see what all the controversy is about.

Sin

Exactly...

wolfbeast

what exactly is a mid-pipe? does it bypass the cat?

Also, will the canzoomers mod with high flow cats fail the emissions test in states other than CA?

Thanks

Red Devil

A mid-pipe is a straight pipe, that is a direct replacement for the cat. To pass emissions, you would have to do as Zerobanger said above, and literally exchange the cat for the pipe.

Omicron

Woh Jim, that's WAAAAAY too much information! ROTFLMAO!!! :D

Not likely. A high flow, high temp cat will do the same thing as the stock cat, it just won't melt at the stage II's higher exhaust temps.