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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:07 PM
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that last bit of your response
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:16 PM
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Originally Posted by zoom44
that last bit of your response
The love part, the respect part or the melting part?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:18 PM
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yes exactly
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:33 PM
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in light of my evidence, I'd really like Lola to comment why the lean problem was tuning and not special circumstances around my car and others like mine....
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
in light of my evidence, I'd really like Lola to comment why the lean problem was tuning and not special circumstances around my car and others like mine....
Yeah, I was curious about that too.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
in light of my evidence, I'd really like Lola to comment why the lean problem was tuning and not special circumstances around my car and others like mine....
Probably should just let it be. We don't necessarily want him clouding up the waters any more than he already has.
You know the reason. I'm done provoking him for the moment.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 06:01 PM
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There was no hostility meant in my last post. Sorry if it came across that way.

I was just pointing out that I know a thing or two about CAN, I had to learn myself, and it cost me money, and I didn't need to argue or justify my posts where I did mention the technology and was challanged.

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hymee
I was just pointing out that I know a thing or two about CAN, I had to learn myself, and it cost me money, and I didn't need to argue or justify my posts where I did mention the technology and was challanged.
Well, then are you or are you not willing to share the general idea of the question I asked?

If not, I can just go look it up myself and share it here. Its not like that information won't get presented on the forum one way or another.

I was just giving you an opportunity to share your conceptual knowledge.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Id love nothing more than to meet up with 8 owners who have mods or could give me advice on best and inexpensive ways to squeeze a few more ponies out of her
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MazdaManiac
How are the packets queued?
If a bunch of devices dump/request packets at the same time, how do they get organized?
This is one little bit I have managed to learn myself. There's priority coding in the messages themselves. If a lower priority message collides with a higher priority message it gets dropped.

I'll take a look tonight and see if I can find the source of that info, but I sure as HELL didn't sign anything or pay anyone for it. I spend my money on fuel and the occasional mod.

CAN is a 'multimaster system' with line topology and real-time capability.

Unique 'identifiers' contain information not directly related to the address of a participant, but to the contents of a message (such as temperature, rotational speed or linear speed).

All participants check out the identifier being transmitted and decide if the type of message is relevant to themselves.

In this way, all messages can be received from many or all of the participants simultaneously.

The unique identifier also determines the priority of the message relating to bus access.

Should a number of participants try to access the bus simultaneously, the higher priority message is guaranteed to gain bus access.

Standard format (11bit identifier) and extended format (29bit identifier) are two different message formats that can exist on the same physical CANbus.
from http://www.engineeringtalk.com/news/stm/stm124.html

Technical enough for a conceptual understanding, not technical enough to recreate or interface with a can bus.

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
in light of my evidence, I'd really like Lola to comment why the lean problem was tuning and not special circumstances around my car and others like mine....
Are we all running aftermarket intakes?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Are we all running aftermarket intakes?
No. I have a few bone-stock cars out there that run lean.
There are more that run crazy rich, though.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by r0tor
in light of my evidence, I'd really like Lola to comment why the lean problem was tuning and not special circumstances around my car and others like mine....
We know that some cars made more power than others from the factory. A very small percent seemed to be able to hit 190-200 WHP and everyone else was much lower. Maybe those cars just had the perfect combination of in parts that were just to the lean side of the tolerances to put them in the "sweet spot" so to speak. That was with factory maps. Now you throw a little bit leaner map in there and they lean out just a bit too much.

Keep in mind I'm not a tuner and I really don't have any evidence. It's just a thought.

Originally Posted by Nemesis8
Are we all running aftermarket intakes?
I have the stock box with the Racing Beat ram. I was running lean at the top in every gear. Even 1st which negates the ram air giving any bump to the AFR's.

Running a new flash now. I'll post when my car's had time to get acclimated to the new flash.

Cel

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:35 PM
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wikiwikiwikiwow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controller_Area_Network

"CAN features an automatic 'arbitration free' transmission. A CAN message that is transmitted with highest priority will 'win' the arbitration, and the node transmitting the lower priority message will sense this and back off and wait."
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 07:40 PM
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Here ya go. Chart 1 is my car stock. Chart 2 is with MM1.3a loaded. If my car started in the 11's or so at the top like most, the MM1.3a would be almost perfect.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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What gears are those charts?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:22 PM
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edit:

Chart 1 was in second
Chart 2 was in third

Hold on a second. I'll post an after flash 2nd gear pull.

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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:40 PM
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Deleted previous post so I could post a better graph.

Here is second gear on 1.3a.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:45 PM
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Those are with good fuel trims?

Have you switched to the "1b_0" set yet?
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:47 PM
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shouldnt your AFR be dropping to around 12-13 after 5500 rpms? yours seems to stay around the low 14's

im really not sure though.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:51 PM
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Yep. My LTFT was running at 1 and my STFT was at 0 to -1 when I did the flashed 2nd gear pull. I had been running that flash for 3-4 days with many trips.

My stock run was the day before I received the AP and I don't know what my trims were. It was the stock tune. I hadn't reset the car, ie removed/disconnect the battery, for over 6 months.

Yes, I'm running the 1b.3a right now. I've had it on for about 10 miles. Just from looking at the RT display and only going about 40-50% throttle to about 5k RPM's my AFR's look pretty much the same. They might be a bit lower, but without logging it's almost impossible to tell.
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Ideally, you want it to always be just under 12.5 on the Level I calibration.
Most drop after 5500.
The lean cars behave totally differently.

BTW - lets move this discussion over the the AccessPORT thread. This is the worng place for this.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.php?p=2387559
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Old Apr 3, 2008 | 08:52 PM
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Oh, and another thing. No pings that I have been able to detect running that lean on 93 Shell.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:15 PM
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You shouldn't be scared. I'm not Moon. lol



Looking at them and knowingly publishing their contents publicly are two different things.
Whether or not that graph is part of one of my calibrations, you believe it is, so you are admitting to knowingly violating copyright law.
Jeffy, your my hero. LOL.
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Old Apr 9, 2008 | 11:34 PM
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I'm sorry. Did we wake you up?
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