Latest Canzoomer Map flash on "L" ECU flash
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From: Cherry Hill, NJ
Originally posted by Marcus Desaul
Today I took my 8 in for the recall. I also had them do an oil change as I just reached 3k. While in I requested that they perform a reflash on the PCM. I stated that I had some rough idling in cooler weather and since cooler weather here in Texas is like 45, I didn't think this should be doing so. I mentioned that I heard about the reflash online and politely asked them to reflash it.
Without hassle and with a smile the dealership performed the reflash and I have verified it. Written on the service ticket was the following Description.
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Customer Reports: Car is running rough in cool weather. Client requests to have the pcm reflashed.
Caused by: road test vehicle
Corrected by F0010XfX: Powertrain Control Module Reflashing.
F0010XFX 0.3hrs Reflash PCM with the latest updates to pcm program.
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I am very pleased that they did as I requested as I am looking forward to receiving my Stage 1 from Maurice within the next few weeks.
As for noticing any difference. I took the 8 out and drove about 50 miles tonight. Had some hard accelerations with both DSC off and on. It seems to me that with the DSC off I can tell a bit of a difference but it could be in my head. I'll be watching the smoot build up on the tail pipes and carefully mapping my fuel economy. Sucky thing is, I filled up a day or so before taking it in and I didn't look at the gauge before they took the car. The reflash reset the Trip odometer and so I'll have to wait for a full tank to see the difference. First tank I haven't kept track of. Oh well.
I know this is probably old news to most of you, but thought I'd add to the chorus.
Today I took my 8 in for the recall. I also had them do an oil change as I just reached 3k. While in I requested that they perform a reflash on the PCM. I stated that I had some rough idling in cooler weather and since cooler weather here in Texas is like 45, I didn't think this should be doing so. I mentioned that I heard about the reflash online and politely asked them to reflash it.
Without hassle and with a smile the dealership performed the reflash and I have verified it. Written on the service ticket was the following Description.
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Customer Reports: Car is running rough in cool weather. Client requests to have the pcm reflashed.
Caused by: road test vehicle
Corrected by F0010XfX: Powertrain Control Module Reflashing.
F0010XFX 0.3hrs Reflash PCM with the latest updates to pcm program.
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I am very pleased that they did as I requested as I am looking forward to receiving my Stage 1 from Maurice within the next few weeks.
As for noticing any difference. I took the 8 out and drove about 50 miles tonight. Had some hard accelerations with both DSC off and on. It seems to me that with the DSC off I can tell a bit of a difference but it could be in my head. I'll be watching the smoot build up on the tail pipes and carefully mapping my fuel economy. Sucky thing is, I filled up a day or so before taking it in and I didn't look at the gauge before they took the car. The reflash reset the Trip odometer and so I'll have to wait for a full tank to see the difference. First tank I haven't kept track of. Oh well.
I know this is probably old news to most of you, but thought I'd add to the chorus.
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From: San Antonio
Originally posted by Genom
Just to confirm I am at sea level, have the L firmware, have a Greddy exhaust and the stage 1. No intake mods. No problems so far after a VERY hard 300 miles using both 89 and 93 octane gas.
Just to confirm I am at sea level, have the L firmware, have a Greddy exhaust and the stage 1. No intake mods. No problems so far after a VERY hard 300 miles using both 89 and 93 octane gas.
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From: San Antonio
Originally posted by islandsoon
RX-Nut
The couple of times I was in Hawaii I'm pretty sure I went from Sea Level to 4,000' several times a day. Run up to Haleakala and you are at 8,000'. Drive up to the turn around at the Onizuka Astronomy Center, short of the Mauna Kea peak and you are at 9000'. You live in CO? then don't count on staying at 5000 in Denver unless you don't plan any trips. My point is, don't count on one elevation. And with Hilo getting 200 to 300" of rain each year and the Kona coast getting 10 to 15", I wouldn't count on just seeing one humidity level either.
RX-Nut
The couple of times I was in Hawaii I'm pretty sure I went from Sea Level to 4,000' several times a day. Run up to Haleakala and you are at 8,000'. Drive up to the turn around at the Onizuka Astronomy Center, short of the Mauna Kea peak and you are at 9000'. You live in CO? then don't count on staying at 5000 in Denver unless you don't plan any trips. My point is, don't count on one elevation. And with Hilo getting 200 to 300" of rain each year and the Kona coast getting 10 to 15", I wouldn't count on just seeing one humidity level either.
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Durn people.
Originally posted by RX-GR8
i don't recall the reflash resetting my trip odometer. but the needle sweep test works. hmmm
i don't recall the reflash resetting my trip odometer. but the needle sweep test works. hmmm
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From: Clearwater, Fl
Canzoomer,
What do you think the HP gains of the new maps are over the older maps?
How does the high-temp cat gains compare to that?
What do you think the HP gains of the new maps are over the older maps?
How does the high-temp cat gains compare to that?
Originally posted by canzoomer
Simple. We cheated a bit.
If you only adjust fuel/air ratios under closed loop mode, partial throtlle under 80%, the ECU will try to adjust to 14.6, so you gain little or nothing.
BUT, one can also do some useful things with ignition timing.
And by setting it up so that when cruise control is on we crank up a bunch of advance, we can gain quite a bit on highway runs.
Also, the one side effect we get from the use of more ignition adjustment is that we are able to get a bit more power, with a LESS lean mixture, and keep the exhaust gas temps lower.
This means less risk of catalytic converter damage, at higher outputs than we had before.
That was one of the big reasons we decide to buld ( or rebuild of you send us back an older unit) ALL units as what was originally planned to be our Stage2 design.
The benefits to be had with the ignition control were such that it was so much better than before that we felt there was no point doing it the old way.
Plus the new builds have the programming port, and the connector for rpm output, so they are Stage3 ready.
Simply plug in the Stage3 hardware and you are set.
Multi-map on the fly, in-car fine adjustment on the tune, and boost application controls at your fingertips.
Simple. We cheated a bit.
If you only adjust fuel/air ratios under closed loop mode, partial throtlle under 80%, the ECU will try to adjust to 14.6, so you gain little or nothing.
BUT, one can also do some useful things with ignition timing.
And by setting it up so that when cruise control is on we crank up a bunch of advance, we can gain quite a bit on highway runs.
Also, the one side effect we get from the use of more ignition adjustment is that we are able to get a bit more power, with a LESS lean mixture, and keep the exhaust gas temps lower.
This means less risk of catalytic converter damage, at higher outputs than we had before.
That was one of the big reasons we decide to buld ( or rebuild of you send us back an older unit) ALL units as what was originally planned to be our Stage2 design.
The benefits to be had with the ignition control were such that it was so much better than before that we felt there was no point doing it the old way.
Plus the new builds have the programming port, and the connector for rpm output, so they are Stage3 ready.
Simply plug in the Stage3 hardware and you are set.
Multi-map on the fly, in-car fine adjustment on the tune, and boost application controls at your fingertips.
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From: Middle of Wisconsin
Re: Durn people.
Originally posted by Marcus Desaul
It could be that the dealership did this of their own accord. Not sure why they would, but darn them if they did. Messed up my perfect record of my fuel economy chart.
It could be that the dealership did this of their own accord. Not sure why they would, but darn them if they did. Messed up my perfect record of my fuel economy chart.
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From: Alexandria, VA
Upgraded CZ + L + sea level = smile
Slipped the upgraded unit back in after the "L" reflash. No problems in light workout including runs to redline, but little WOT as it is cold and rainy. VERY smooth. Big smile.
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From: Edmonton
Just a heads up for everyone. Get the "L" reflash. Latest TSB says it's a necessary fix for flooding. Also says " let the customer read part of it" for unflooding in the future.
They should give you the flash if you tell them you flooded the car.
Also, we think the problem one owner had is in his car. Maybe the "L" flash didn't take properly, or maybe there is a bad sensor. The new Stage 1 just seemed to bring it out.
They should give you the flash if you tell them you flooded the car.
Also, we think the problem one owner had is in his car. Maybe the "L" flash didn't take properly, or maybe there is a bad sensor. The new Stage 1 just seemed to bring it out.
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From: Austin, TX
Originally posted by RX-Nut
latest TSB on flooding? Ooh... where's that? I thought the latest was that shaft sensor thingy..
latest TSB on flooding? Ooh... where's that? I thought the latest was that shaft sensor thingy..
Rosenthal Mazda posts the TSB's on their site.
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We have been getting quite a bit more soot with the "L" and the Stage 1. We haven't been able to drive it much, so can't comment on mpg, but the Gtech runs we have done indicate a power loss.
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Originally posted by islandsoon
We have been getting quite a bit more soot with the "L" and the Stage 1. We haven't been able to drive it much, so can't comment on mpg, but the Gtech runs we have done indicate a power loss.
We have been getting quite a bit more soot with the "L" and the Stage 1. We haven't been able to drive it much, so can't comment on mpg, but the Gtech runs we have done indicate a power loss.
Is this the remapped stage 1?
Power loss? Are you going by the 1/4mi or hp/tq runs on the Gtech. Also, did you test on the same strip of road as before runs? (I get 10hp difference on a different straight flat road when I use my Gtech.) Also, could you post some graphs?
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Originally posted by adrian-1
more info please.
Is this the remapped stage 1?
Power loss? Are you going by the 1/4mi or hp/tq runs on the Gtech. Also, did you test on the same strip of road as before runs? (I get 10hp difference on a different straight flat road when I use my Gtech.) Also, could you post some graphs?
more info please.
Is this the remapped stage 1?
Power loss? Are you going by the 1/4mi or hp/tq runs on the Gtech. Also, did you test on the same strip of road as before runs? (I get 10hp difference on a different straight flat road when I use my Gtech.) Also, could you post some graphs?
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islandsoon,
What do you mean by power loss?
Are you saying the NEW Stage 1 (aka Stage 1.1) with "L" reflash is making less HP than the original Stage one with or without "L"? Or are you saying the NEW Stage 1 with "L" reflash is making less HP than the "L" reflash WITHOUT Stage 1? Or are you comparing some other conditions?
What do you mean by power loss?
Are you saying the NEW Stage 1 (aka Stage 1.1) with "L" reflash is making less HP than the original Stage one with or without "L"? Or are you saying the NEW Stage 1 with "L" reflash is making less HP than the "L" reflash WITHOUT Stage 1? Or are you comparing some other conditions?
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LOL.
But look at your dates!!! Everything is confused AGAIN. And what do you mean by you have a stage 1 dated 3/5/04? Is that when it arrived?
Ok, assuming 3/5 is when it arrived and 3/11 is when you installed the stage 1, you never tested the stage 1 WITHOUT "L" because "L" was installed on 3/9, which is two days before you installed stage 1.
So what exactly have you done on the gtech? Did you test (1) without "L" and without stage 1, (2) with "L" and without stage 1, and (3) with "L" and with stage 1? From your dates, sounds like you never had the chance to test (4) without "L" and with stage 1, which is too bad.
Could you tell us which of the four conditions you have tested using the gtech AND then assign results to the appropriate conditions (just mark the results with a 1, 2, 3, or 4)? This should remove the confusion.
But look at your dates!!! Everything is confused AGAIN. And what do you mean by you have a stage 1 dated 3/5/04? Is that when it arrived?
Ok, assuming 3/5 is when it arrived and 3/11 is when you installed the stage 1, you never tested the stage 1 WITHOUT "L" because "L" was installed on 3/9, which is two days before you installed stage 1.
So what exactly have you done on the gtech? Did you test (1) without "L" and without stage 1, (2) with "L" and without stage 1, and (3) with "L" and with stage 1? From your dates, sounds like you never had the chance to test (4) without "L" and with stage 1, which is too bad.
Could you tell us which of the four conditions you have tested using the gtech AND then assign results to the appropriate conditions (just mark the results with a 1, 2, 3, or 4)? This should remove the confusion.
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From: San Diego, Ca
Originally posted by PhineasFellOff
[B]LOL.
But look at your dates!!! Everything is confused AGAIN. And what do you mean by you have a stage 1 dated 3/5/04? Is that when it arrived?....
[B]LOL.
But look at your dates!!! Everything is confused AGAIN. And what do you mean by you have a stage 1 dated 3/5/04? Is that when it arrived?....
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From: Milwaukee, WI
One of the pages in this thread shows a hp gain of about 40 hp with the "L" flash and the stage 1 mod. Am I reading this right? I it true? Canzoomer some help please. I am very excited about this mod.
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L flash and 1.1
Anyone have any further thougths/numbers to talk about with "L" and 1.1?? I made up some b.s. for my dealership to get the "L" only in anticipation of the 1.1 coming up in the next group buy, does that make me immoral?
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I had the L flash a week ago today. To date I really haven't seen an increase in gas mileage, nor a decrease in the amount of smoot coating my tail pipes.
That said, it does seem to have a little more spunk on accelloration but that is just perception and I have no verifiable evidence for that.
My Stage 1 should be arriving in the next couple of weeks.
That said, it does seem to have a little more spunk on accelloration but that is just perception and I have no verifiable evidence for that.
My Stage 1 should be arriving in the next couple of weeks.