Kane Tunes My car
05-27-2009, 12:31 PM
#76
okay, people should get open office. it's open source! ya know, it's like this map.
here's a new download with the original .ods files and the .doc files in it. I also put the original .ptm map file in there, but i don't think anyone will be able to see it. click the 18.97 MB one.
the .doc files should work. i'm not sure if you'll be able to change the pages which is the whole point of the spread sheet in this case.
please let me know if anyone can see these.
here's a new download with the original .ods files and the .doc files in it. I also put the original .ptm map file in there, but i don't think anyone will be able to see it. click the 18.97 MB one.
the .doc files should work. i'm not sure if you'll be able to change the pages which is the whole point of the spread sheet in this case.
please let me know if anyone can see these.
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 05-27-2009 at 12:47 PM.
05-27-2009, 09:21 PM
#78
i think so. should be more of it. NA 8s aren't so different from car to car that sharing maps wouldn't be at least beneficial. The cobb stage 1 map seems to work pretty good for lots of people without cold air intakes, right? that darn maf is tricky. 
and dude, my car is a beast now (to me anyway).
today i was cruising in 4th at 65mph when i decided to rev match and drop into third (so i revved to 7k and threw it in third and floored it). maybe it's just my butt dyno, but i swear it was awe inspiring. i think the tires even chipped a little.
and dude, my car is a beast now (to me anyway).
today i was cruising in 4th at 65mph when i decided to rev match and drop into third (so i revved to 7k and threw it in third and floored it). maybe it's just my butt dyno, but i swear it was awe inspiring. i think the tires even chipped a little.
05-28-2009, 11:15 AM
#81
hmm, not sure what hurdles to freedom accessport has going.
i guess what you'll have to do if you want to run or tinker with this map is just use the spreadsheets to see the values and change yours accordingly and create a new map in race tuner.
i guess what you'll have to do if you want to run or tinker with this map is just use the spreadsheets to see the values and change yours accordingly and create a new map in race tuner.
05-28-2009, 01:57 PM
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You can only open tunes that match the specific version of the accessTUNER race software you've loaded. If you have tunes for an 08 RX8 Federal, you cannot open then on an 05 version of the software.
05-30-2009, 06:39 PM
#89
i also took some more wot pulls. this time i took 2nd and 3 rd in both the kane tune and the cobb stage 1. let's just say the cobb stage 1 sucks. the kane tune looks about the same as it did before.
i'll post those logs tonight.
i'll post those logs tonight.
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 05-30-2009 at 11:37 PM.
05-31-2009, 10:53 PM
#93
so those high 13s were bugging me a little, and i decided to try some tiny changes. i think i was successful. i went to the air fuel table and decreased the values (i clicked "decrease" twice) in a rectangle shape between 3k and 6k rpms around max engine load.
here's what happened. better or not as good? power seems about the same.
here's what happened. better or not as good? power seems about the same.
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 06-01-2009 at 12:14 AM.
06-01-2009, 12:37 AM
#96
that sentence is multiply ambiguous.
afrs in the 14s? i.e., are you saying, with kane, that the difference here is so minimal that it doesn't matter?
track times in the 14s? i.e., are you saying that it only took maybe 3hp to get your drag times down a second -- so every little bit helps?
i assume you mean the former, but the reasoning behind the latter has something going for it were the numbers not so improbable.
i don't think i'm willing to give up 3 hp if it's there. i mean, suppose i get 8 from the exhaust and intake. i get 10 -12 from the tune depending. that's either 18 or 20hp. i'd rather have 20, right? lol.
hey, i'm not driving, i might as well be tuning.
oh, and could you specify which way it cost you. 14s were better or 13s? under what load?
afrs in the 14s? i.e., are you saying, with kane, that the difference here is so minimal that it doesn't matter?
track times in the 14s? i.e., are you saying that it only took maybe 3hp to get your drag times down a second -- so every little bit helps?
i assume you mean the former, but the reasoning behind the latter has something going for it were the numbers not so improbable.
i don't think i'm willing to give up 3 hp if it's there. i mean, suppose i get 8 from the exhaust and intake. i get 10 -12 from the tune depending. that's either 18 or 20hp. i'd rather have 20, right? lol.
hey, i'm not driving, i might as well be tuning.
oh, and could you specify which way it cost you. 14s were better or 13s? under what load?
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 06-01-2009 at 12:56 AM.
06-01-2009, 01:38 AM
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I'm not sure where in the rpm/load range you're talking about in reference to your air/fuel rations but running 14's at WOT above 4,000 RPMS or anywhere outside of closed loop is a seriously bad idea. Not only is that going to be a pre-ignition situation but it's a law of diminishing returns. The farther you go up in the air/fuel range you have to increase engine load to maintain power. At some point, going leaner will yield less power than more.
Kane is correct in that an N/A rx8 has a power area of about 12.5 to approx 13.2 air/fuel. As long as you're within that range you're fine.
Chasing a few tenths of air/fuel is a time consuming and often expensive project. The only real way to do it is to get on a load bearing dyno and adjust air/fuel for various ranges in your rpm band one at a time.
06-01-2009, 08:22 AM
#99
i'm not really trying to fix anything. i just wanted to see what happened. and what happened is that the afrs under wot in 2nd gear around 5-6.6krpms went from high 13s to mid to high 12s.
flashwing, team rx8 brought up 14s but didn't explain. i don't have 14s under wot in open loop as you can see from my logs. if you want to see what i changed, look at the airfuel table and just run down the columns around max load. about 1/4 way down, you'll start seeing differences.
now, am i getting exactly what i put in the air/fuel table? no. i think the results i'm geting are leaner than the values i enter. i'm having to enter, say, 11.48 to get 12.5. what can i do to make that more accurate. increase the maf or decrease? where? the whole scale?
i guess i just want to see how close i can get to 12.5 across the whole open loop wot range without a dyno. i'm not that far off now.
i have lots of time.
flashwing, team rx8 brought up 14s but didn't explain. i don't have 14s under wot in open loop as you can see from my logs. if you want to see what i changed, look at the airfuel table and just run down the columns around max load. about 1/4 way down, you'll start seeing differences.
now, am i getting exactly what i put in the air/fuel table? no. i think the results i'm geting are leaner than the values i enter. i'm having to enter, say, 11.48 to get 12.5. what can i do to make that more accurate. increase the maf or decrease? where? the whole scale?
i guess i just want to see how close i can get to 12.5 across the whole open loop wot range without a dyno. i'm not that far off now.
i have lots of time.
Last edited by myriadshalaks; 06-01-2009 at 08:35 AM.
06-01-2009, 08:26 AM
#100
LOL - ok, I think most people assumed you were leaning out your AFR's not fattening them up...
Well technically you should work the injector scale and or the MAF scale in order to get the AFR you dial into the table..... but realize this is somewhat difficult.
My new version of the software will help - also remember the LATENCY.... the AFR's are behind the actual car by like half a second or so.
We will talk once the new version of baseline comes out.
Well technically you should work the injector scale and or the MAF scale in order to get the AFR you dial into the table..... but realize this is somewhat difficult.
My new version of the software will help - also remember the LATENCY.... the AFR's are behind the actual car by like half a second or so.
We will talk once the new version of baseline comes out.