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RX803 08-04-2005 07:46 PM

DAMN 184 that is lovely!

Nemesis8 08-04-2005 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Aseras
You guys are talking about DMP's Dyno? it did 152 in 5th and 184 in 6th.

Thanks - yes we are talking about Darin's dyno. Man I'm getting to old for my own memory :p

Richard Paul 08-04-2005 10:21 PM

All just fine, with no wind resistance. You could gear it to run 400 and if the dyno could handle it you'd get there. All because the dyno will release the drag until you get where you want to go. In the end your just spinning a couple of rollers with nothing to slow them down. This test means nothing, less then nothing.
How much load did it have? What was the HP being delivered.
It is possable on the better dynos to program in for all the real world drain.

Does anyone know the CD for the 8? That and the frontal area will tell you how much wheel HP it takes to go so fast. Lets see if I remember it.
CD x frontal area x MPH to the cube, over 146,600.
This is to maintain the speed, it takes a lot more to get there. How much will depend on how long the course is.

Nemesis8 08-04-2005 11:25 PM

.31

takahashi 08-04-2005 11:52 PM

An off topic stupid question:

Will changing a final drive affecting the accuracy of the speedo. Yes or No. Recalibrate required?

lurch519 08-05-2005 06:37 AM

the answer should be yes. in my experience, most rwd cars have a sensor mounted on the transmission just before the driveshaft exits. this usually measures driveshaft rpm, then calculates vehicle speed by dividing the rpm by some number to determine vehicle speed. now this may not be the case with the 8, they may pull vehicle speed from the abs sensors as that would make more sense, they have 4 wheel speed sensors for the abs, so why add another sensor. dont know, ill have to take a look at the shop manual.

ZGlide 08-05-2005 01:09 PM

I've actually hit 155mph on the way to vegas, on a safe long , flat, straight stretch. I was going to snap a picture of it with my camera but thought it was too dangerous to take my hands off the wheel. At that time I had nothing but a RB exhaust.

Nemesis8 08-05-2005 01:45 PM

Still no FI guys telling us what they hit on the track

Richard Paul 08-05-2005 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Nemesis8
.31


Bet that was without the side mirrors. All the car companys do that. No matter, we still need the frontal area though. Anybody have a guess?

Richard Paul 08-05-2005 02:07 PM

If I use 20 sq ft and .31 I get 209 HP to maintain 150 MPH.
So it must not be 20 feet. I'll go out and see if I can get a better guess at the number.

two rotors 08-05-2005 02:16 PM

I have checked all over my manual transmission and thereis NOT a speed sensor.The manual says the signal for the speedometer is taken from the ABS/TCM unit and the ABS sensors.The AUTOMATIC has a speed ensor in the transmission.
Speed ometer calibration will be affected by the rolling circumference of the wheel/tire combination.

takahashi 08-06-2005 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by two rotors
I have checked all over my manual transmission and thereis NOT a speed sensor.The manual says the signal for the speedometer is taken from the ABS/TCM unit and the ABS sensors.The AUTOMATIC has a speed ensor in the transmission.
Speed ometer calibration will be affected by the rolling circumference of the wheel/tire combination.

So not the change of final drive? The reason I asked that I am serious considering putting the FEED final drive on the list of mod next year, but if it has to recalibrate then I will strike it off the list.

Anyone can confirm either way will be appreciated. Hopefully it is not stealing the thread - but it can change the top speed of the 8 ;)!

X-MAN S 02-04-2006 07:52 AM

I figured I would bring this topic back up. Are there any top speed runs with FI?

r0tor 02-04-2006 01:21 PM

300rwhp should let you top out at ~171 mph assuming stock gear ratios

dmorales 02-04-2006 02:44 PM

Wow 164? And with FI 171+? That's pretty fast. You have to remeber that wind resistance is only going to increase so it will take more and more power to gain every mph more than normal.

Oh and I think it's pretty easy to assume 180mph is possible on stock gearing. I know in 3rd gear 3000rpm = 30mph, 4000rphm =40mph , etc. and in 6th gear 4500rpm = 90mph, 3000rpm = 60mph, etc. This is pretty accurate I've found so far. so in 6th it would be logical to conclude that at 9000rpm it would be = 180mph.
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dtorre 02-04-2006 09:29 PM

Well the 6th gear is definately governed in America....I hit 161 on the speedo running way into the redline in 5th where it's getting ready to touch 10K....then shifted into 6th and the car felt like I had downshifted and not rev matched...went down to 153 then I realized I didn't do anything wrong...kept on the gas got it to 155 mph....and it just stood there....was even going downill in 6th at 155 and it just kept staying there....tryed the run again same results....

took almost half a tank of gas to do all this =)

zaglo6204 02-04-2006 10:06 PM

what were you doing at 10K rpm's? holding it at 10K? interesting.

dtorre 02-05-2006 02:56 AM

Well it would bounce rev's between 9.7-9.9K .....though I was pretty sure I was gonna blow it =) made the whole ugg ugg ugg sound when you shift to late in an earlier gear =)...cept it kept making it till I shifted =)

JeRKy 8 Owner 02-05-2006 04:08 AM

I guess no one on here has topped out an RX-8 with FI due to fear of ending the engine's life. :D:

auwen 02-05-2006 10:07 AM

Maxed out
 
I have a greddy turbo kit installed and tanabe cat back. The car maxed out in 6th gear at 172mph... this is bouncing off the redline. Unfortunately this is off the speedometer in the car, as i didnt have GPS with me, so my overland speed may have been faster.

zaglo6204 02-05-2006 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by auwen
i didnt have GPS with me, so my overland speed may have been faster.

you mean slower...
but thats cool. finally a more definitive REAL answer.

auwen 02-05-2006 10:15 AM

Speed
 
No I think i mean faster, the speedo measures revolutions. At high speeds the tire is going to expand due to centrifugal force. So at a static RPM a smaller tire circumference(which is what the speedometer is calibrated to) = slower than a larger circumference. Obviously the size gain from this is negligible so at max it may have made a 2-3 mph difference.

zaglo6204 02-05-2006 10:23 AM

sorry if i sounded rude earlier.

what you said is true, but you also have to take into account that with the huge wind resistance that the tires are slipping a little bit on each rotation, & thats a lot of rotations. i would have thought that the centrifugal force would be greater than the slippage, but i have ALWAYS seen speedos read higher than gps units when doing top speed runs. i have never done such a test myself, but have seen data from many other people, so i could be wrong.

toca 02-05-2006 10:25 AM

ive been 154 all motor

auwen 02-05-2006 10:27 AM

I didnt think about slippage... I guess the only way to find out would be to test it with GPS. Which will never happen... one time at that speed is enough for me till I get a rollcage and 4 point harness installed.


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