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So many Mids, so little time

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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 08:48 PM
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So many Mids, so little time

After doing so soul searching... I've narrowed it down to three mid-pipes that fit my range. So far the main concerns are

1: Price
2: Sound quality
3: Life quality, how long it will survive (estimate)
4: Loudness

Im looking for opinions from people that have maybe used or even seen these pipes used. Any info to help sway my mind helps. I'll be running stock exhaust for a while after I get this but afterwards I'll be switching over to the REV8. One thing I don't want much of is the drone everyone talks about. That and the obnoxious loudness of like the AP are one thing I don't really want. Considering in Cali every cop is dieing to pull anything that sounds aftermarket over. Any kind of opinions help and yes I've seen plenty setups on youtube but I want to hear from those that have actually heard these babies in use
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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 08:51 PM
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bhr single res, probably the best
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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 09:01 PM
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If you want absolutely no drone then the BHR is your best (and most expensive) bet.
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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 09:38 PM
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I have the Corksport single resonated and really like it; however, I would also recommend BHR. They sound great!
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Old Feb 2, 2011 | 10:57 PM
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i'd say the BHR is best, but the Racing Beat Midpipe is a close competitor. i would stick between those two over anything else, then it just becomes a decision if you want to pay $95 more for the BHR. your money, your choice, you wont go wrong with either
i have the Racing Beat, if you're ever up in the Dublin/Livermore area you're always welcome to check mine out

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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 12:09 AM
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Well I guess I've narrowed it down to two then, BHR or RB. Money isn't a factor between these, I could always just save more for the later. Sound quality and noise is what I want to know about now it seems. I might take you up on that offer two zero two. I'll be heading to San Fran in a few if all goes well.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 12:34 AM
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I'm in san jose and have had the BHR mid pipe since the first run of 7. Best catless midpipe i've every heard on the 8.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by laythor
I'm in san jose and have had the BHR mid pipe since the first run of 7. Best catless midpipe i've every heard on the 8.
I hear it's also approved by the San Jose Police Department!
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 12:41 AM
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I hear it's also approved by the San Jose Police Department!
they know quality
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 10:35 AM
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BHR with a cat. If your in cali and you dont want trouble with the cops, put a cat on. It is still illegal to run the highflow cat but you greatly reuce your chances of going to the referee.

Oh and keep your stock cat for smog test time.
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by laythor
I'm in san jose and have had the BHR mid pipe since the first run of 7. Best catless midpipe i've every heard on the 8.
Looks like i might have another place to visit on the way back

Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
While we at BHR appreciate the sentiments and are certainly flattered to be thought of in the same stratosphere as Racing Beat, I fear this thread just became tainted by the inclusion of utterances from our own team.
Fear not. Like I said, so far just looking for opinions. The real test for me is probably going to be when I get a sound sample in person.

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BHR with a cat. If your in cali and you dont want trouble with the cops, put a cat on. It is still illegal to run the highflow cat but you greatly reuce your chances of going to the referee.

Oh and keep your stock cat for smog test time.
Probably going to go the cheaper route on them if i decide to go there. Not sure how much life is in my own cat( already getting funky smells) but it should suffice after i drop it. Definitely going to keep the old one as a souvenir
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 08:19 PM
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ummmm would you elaborate more on the differences?

how much power increase could one expect with a midpipe anyways, 5? 10?

i thought the stock catalytic converter's not taking any power away and apparently jeff said the midpipe don't matter to the tune.. so where's the power coming from by gonig for a midpipe?
or is it all just for the noise and sound tweaks...

i'm getting confused
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Old Feb 3, 2011 | 11:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
My concern was over the direction this thread might have been heading, as I did not want anyone from BHR to become involved and redirect the discussion or the topic. It seems like most the time any one of us from BHR becomes involved in a thread it gets jacked and off-topic pretty quick. I did not want that to happen here.

Bottom line; both the BHR and RB midpipes are pretty sweet but there are a couple design differences between them that I believe are crucial and may be the deciding factors for some looking at them both.
Ahh but you see, you've already put that ball in motion
Its quite alright really, if it were to get off topic more people would be responding, leading more to see this thread, also leading to more votes. Poll is what keeps this together Besides that most threads tend to fix themselves in due time.

By all means throw out some differences. Like I stated, opinions is what I'm after. What better opinion of a product, than from those that make said product. Biased? Slightly but who cares. You guys make em so you should know both strong and weak points to em. This thread is open to everyone, let the floodgates open

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ummmm would you elaborate more on the differences?

how much power increase could one expect with a midpipe anyways, 5? 10?

i thought the stock catalytic converter's not taking any power away and apparently jeff said the midpipe don't matter to the tune.. so where's the power coming from by gonig for a midpipe?
or is it all just for the noise and sound tweaks...

i'm getting confused
People throw the number 10 around so theres a start. I'm personally putting a midpipe for two reasons, sound and flames
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 12:30 AM
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but in return... you get the smell?
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 01:29 AM
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but in return... you get the smell?
AAANNNNDDD??? haha seriously I'm not even gonna care about the people behind me
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 01:48 AM
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hm.... what abt at red lights? when ur windows are down? hm
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 02:07 AM
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hm.... what abt at red lights? when ur windows are down? hm
Hmm I haven't thought about it yet maybe I'll like it haha seriously I've thought this out. I'm going to get one, now if you have any specs or opinions about a pipe please do chime in otherwise stop trying to convince me out of it
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 10:06 AM
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if you are really low the big resonators of the rb would worry me
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Figs
Hmm I haven't thought about it yet maybe I'll like it haha seriously I've thought this out. I'm going to get one, now if you have any specs or opinions about a pipe please do chime in otherwise stop trying to convince me out of it
haha. no don't take me the wrong way, i'm in the middle of the debate whether to get one or not myself

Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
The differences between the two midpipes involves the resonators each of them uses. Both pipes are equally quiet but BHR's uses only one resonator. Our's also has no internal packing so the tone will not change over time. Our resonator is a bit smaller to reduce the fitment/weight concern, as well.

Power increases are generally left to the host engine's condition (largely comopression-based), but most midpipes in the 3" range typically glean between 5-8 h.p. The factory midpipe is 2.5"-2.6". Most power increases are going to arise from simply reducing pumping losses.

Jeff/MazdaManiac's comment was meant to say that improving the exhaust flow does not require a new tune or reflash. This is because the PCM will still be able to achieve the targeted air/fuel ratios.
THANKSSSS Charles, you've just made everything clear to me. uh.. Another stupid question though, what are all the options that are on the BHR pipe.. especially wt's a 2nd o2 bung.

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if you are really low the big resonators of the rb would worry me
hm... that I'd have to think about, but I don't think i'm REALLLY low yet.
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Old Feb 4, 2011 | 02:37 PM
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thats a very nice looking mid pipe to bad i dont need one tho. i like the bling
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Old Feb 5, 2011 | 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
1) Wasn't me who put the ball in motion. 'Twas Flashwing.
2) BHR are not concerned with popularity contests, just quality contests.
Hmm all give you this one only because it's slightly true also products gotta be popular if you expect a profit haha. By the sounds of it the quality weighs out the price. It seems it's time to start saving haha.

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haha. no don't take me the wrong way, i'm in the middle of the debate whether to get one or not myself
Ah my mistake, let me be the voice of reason and say go for it. It seems like a worthwhile mod to do
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Old Feb 18, 2011 | 08:53 PM
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After hearing both midpipes I've come to a conclusion...I'm no where close to finding an answer. Both pipes sound awesome. The BHR does sound a bit cleaner all the way up to redline than the RB but in my opinion seems a bit louder. Another factor I noticed was one pipe did have more of a stank to it but this can be explained by miles on pipe or tune of the car so I won't go into it. In conclusion, it seems I'll have to actually try both midpipes before I can make a definitive choice
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Old Feb 18, 2011 | 10:45 PM
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lol... lemme know when u decided which's better lol, i'm in the middle of these two right now

btw why'd u say rb was louder? did you hear it in person? if it's really the case, i might go with rb just to try it out lol. i'm pretty sure plenty of people would buy it seconded handed anyways
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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 03:21 AM
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I heard both in person and also have crappy sound clips. The bhr was paired with a Mazdaspeed and that thing sounded like it blows out on the street under wide open throttle. The rb had a agency power on it and it had a nice rumble to it on the road. Didn't open till it was wot. Again both are excellent pipes and each worth what they're priced for
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Old Feb 19, 2011 | 03:41 AM
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Anyone know how the RB Non Resonated is? Of course I know its going to be pretty darn loud but is it obnoxious? I have the Greddy cat-back if that helps. Yes I searched and found only a few threads talking about it. It would be nice if someone had dB reading though.
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