Sorry, maybe everyone was thinking it and I know some of my points were mentioned but i do not think it was all said.

Also, it was already asked but not answered. Where/how would someone get the latest mazda flash?

Oh, this one is easy :)

1) Put on some overalls.

2) Hang out at your local dealership

3) Wait for someone to buy a RX-8

4) Pretend you work there, and offer to assist them by calibrating their PCM.

5) Download!

It was posted a year or 2 ago where it can be found. I don't remember where. A search may be in order.

See if you can brick there PCM also

the dealership..

it was part of the last recall, and is part of emissions compliance..


beers :beer:

subscribed.. waiting for others to test the waters ;) the price point is certainly very attractive

A while ago, we working on a solution to crack the ecu ourselves. This site has the OEM flashes.
http://www.mazdatechinfo.com/home/ecmDetail.asp
This is the thread where we were working on the ecu details.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-aftermarket-performance-modifications-23/cracking-ecu-81801/page3/

This seems to have done what most of the tuners have stumbled over and that is downloading, saving, and uploading. It seems like folks that have tuning software have just been waiting for this piece to fall in to place, ala kane, MM etc.

54 68 61 74 20 69 73 20 61 20 76 65 72 79 20 62 61 73 69 63 20 6c 6f 6f 6b 69 6e 67 20 69 6e 74 65 72 66 61 63 65 2e 20 20 59 6f 75 20 77 6f 75 6c 64 20 6e 65 65 64 20 74 6f 20 62 65 20 61 62 6c 65 20 74 6f 20 64 65 63 6f 64 65 20 48 45 58 2e 20 20 49 66 20 79 6f 75 20 63 61 6e 20 72 65 61 64 20 74 68 69 73 2c 20 74 68 65 6e 20 79 6f 75 20 61 72 65 20 61 62 6f 75 74 20 31 2f 31 30 30 74 68 20 6f 66 20 74 68 65 20 77 61 79 20 74 68 65 72 65 2e

43 68 65 65 72 73 2c 0d 0a 48 79 6d 65 65 2e

^ what he said

that is what i said in this post..

https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=18

those #s are important.. duh..

buy what do i know.. i got no answer

beers :beer:

Yeah - I know you said that. I actually said something in my message...

10 Hymee points for the first to know what it says. :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

ah,

got a good guess, but those are not the # i saw.. but that was 2 years ago..

beers :beer:

The cat is already out of the bag in that Jim M has shipped a bunch of his work product. Cam has shipped a bunch too. Both happened before this device.

The tool seems to allow anyone to grab anyone’s work and put it on another car. That is a real shame as it removes incentive to do more work on the RX-8.

With respect to protection, why does the world need to "register" with H R&D to keep their work from being lifted? Who builds tools that allow people to lift other's work product?

It won't be able to grab anyones. <evil grin>

That is a very basic looking interface. You would need to be able to decode HEX. If you can read this, then you are about 1/100th of the way there. Cheers,
Hymee.

And that isn't hex, that is ASCII.

Well done. It is the Hex values of the ASCII encoded text.

10 Hymee points for you :)

Cheers,
Hymee.

Umm.. welcome to the internet

It would be rather entertaining to see RX8 maps end up on bittorrent though... :rofl:

The tape recorder, VCR, Camcorder Camera, Tivo, copy machines, CD Burning tools, marcovison cracking tools, peer to peer networks, download sites (rapidshare.com) Or to put it another way " Tools don't hack, hackers hack".

I'm going to have to assume you don't understand how the reflashers work.

He's not building a "stealing tool", this is just how the firmware works. His tool simply pulls the current programming from the PCM and allows the user to modify and push it back. There is already a security measure in place by Mazda that all reflahers are bypassing.

What Dan proposed is to work with others who have flashes out and come up with a way to block the ability to pull flashes that are from those sources. He didn't have to do this, but he's taking the extra step.

This reminds me of the big guy's tshirt from Happy Gilmore.. :rofl: Anyway..

I would like to extend that by saying "hackers hack, and it's a good thing"... Regardless of what the media would like you to believe, hackers aren't a breed of malicious basement-dwelling trolls.. There really isn't much that can be done to "hide" the maps that the flash companies release. However, they are cheap enough that most people would probably get them from RB anyway rather than risk killing your car with some map you found online, no?

And maybe a test drive?

My point was that the product can be used to copy one tuner's files and place them on another car. Some of these tuners spend a lot of time and effort generating their solution to the problem of making a car run well.

I do not know this for sure, but I would think that Cobb, Hymee or EFIDude would not permit a user to pull a file from a PCM and put it on another car. If you do this, you are facilitating the theft of someone else's work.

The above mentioned tuning sources do not require you to contact them to protect their property. They protect that property because it is the right thing to do, not because you called them and asked all nice like. Only H R&D says call me if you do not want to be ripped off.

Okay. Instead of getting into circular logic with you on this topic, let me try to ask you a question: How would you like for Dan to prevent "theft" of flashes made by others? How would Dan know that a given file contains modifications by racing beat or cobb? Unless the resulting maps from these products include some sort of signature that lets them be identified, there is no way to tell a map racing beat created from one I generated.

Fair enough.

Most of the tuners I have seen do fetch data from the PCM. You can then use the tuning tool company's software to edit that data and push it back on the PCM. Any data is encrypted as the tuning tool company does not want to distribute the map data that they spent a lot of time generating. In addition, the tools are usually locked to a VIN or VINs as well. All of these elements are barriers to moving one tuner's property from one car to another without paying him for his product. These barriers are the responsible way to make money without enabling theft.

Harrison came by the seed/key stuff and added it to his scan tool. He does not encrypt files pulled from PCMs and thus he does not take the precautions of a Cobb, Hymee or EFIDude to protect a tuner's property.

Is it the tuner's fault that H R&D does not have an editing package or any map knowledge? Why should the tuner be open to being ripped off out of no fault of his own? Why should the tuner, like Jim M, be forced to give H R&D a call to keep from being ripped off?

Some people think it is ok to move files from one car to another. Some do not. All I was trying to point out is the H R&D is doing something that no other tuning company that I know of (and I do not know them all) will permit to happen. I thought it was good to know.

We can talk more if you would like to PM as I am not sure anyone would be interested in the gory details.