rotary magic

Can someone tell me the HP increases over stock after insalling the RB intake, the ram air and or the exhaust? The RB site states that they report % over stock, yet the site posts HP increases. Example, the RB site claims 1.95 HP over stock. Is that 1.95% HP increase over stock or only 1.95 additional HP?

TeamRX8

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that's certainly true if you install RB products

Fanman

Polak did several dyno tests, about as scientific as you can get and with the REVi air intake & flywheel got about 10 whp.

Sportura_Collection

I like that. But's RB's exhaust guy is like a Japanese Mozart, according to the website. HA! He's a true exhaust expert. HA! He's so good that a bunch of uneducated hacks from Australia did a better job (plug: TurboXS). Let's face it, the technical aspects of exhaust design are about as high-level as welding tin cans together.

Fanman

You guys are only looking at one of the results that have been shown. On one posters car (Armaant) they ot very substantial improvements, but on another poster's car (POLAK) they got exactly what Racing Beat claimed (they got 8 hp from swapping out the RB catback & replacing with Turbo XS cat back & Turbo XS midpipe).

Take a look here :

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&page=11&pp=15

bureau13

You work for Weapon R or something similar don't you?

There is a lot more to proper exhaust design...especially for a street car...then "welding tin cans together." For RB or similar companies whose only goal is not horsepower or maximizing exhaust SPL, the challenges are even greater. They wanted a sound they could live with, and they wanted a modest power increase if it could be obtained. IMO, the only thing they sacrificed was weight.

RB never claimed to make the most power out there, but they did mention (and this has been confirmed over and again by conscientous testers) that there simply isn't a lot of power available purely in exhaust tuning. I am not familiar with the TurboXS exhaust to which you refer, but if they're claiming 10+ rwhp or something than I just don't believe them. That level of power gains is just not available purely from messing with your exhast aft of the cat.

jds

Sportura_Collection

You and I both know what RB did. Expounding on it isn't necessary. The language was chosen to create a favorable situation (much of it psychological) for RB. Otherwise they wouldn't have allowed it to be printed on the website.

I don't work in the industry. I'm just objective or at least more resistant to jumping on bandwagons. Have you seen the other thread where I lay it out to TurboXS like it needs to be?

r0tor

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what else do you expect from a pair of rebranded magnaflow mufflers?

Sportura_Collection

I guess the Japanese Mozart at RB could have designed his own mufflers from scratch but it would have detracted from the ideal "rotary sound" offered by the magnaflows. Apparently the welding of the tin cans around the magnaflows was so exquisite that Mozart would have been proud, who cares if it weighs more. By the way, do you prefer Campbells or Progresso soup? Just wondering.

carbonRX8

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Yeah, I thought you sounded rather idiotic. Was that your intent?

olddragger

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I believe canzoomer made almost as much power from the midpipe and stock catback. Not knocking Turbo's system. It is good to have many options to choose from and theres is ok. It is not however "magic". Any midpipe and catback has the potential of putting those numbers up. Maybe 2- 3 less--maybe on a given day 2-3 more. i Have seen a friends car actually lose power when he added a high flow cat. Yea theirs(turbo's) are 3"'s. I dont think that extra little size mays that much differance. Just get the catback you like and a GOOD high flow cat and you are good to go.
rotor on
olddragger

Sportura_Collection

Even if it weighs more than stock.

Sportura_Collection

I thought your BS challenge to that other guy in the sushi/sashimi thread was pretty idiotic.

carbonRX8

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That it? Best you got?

I actually wasn't trying to be uber rude, here either. My comment was intended to enlighten you to the fact that you didn't "rally the masses" in a "grassroots" style like you seem to think you did over there in that TurboXS thread. At best you pissed off a supplier/tuner and nearly turned them away from working on 8's, a situation most of us would rather avoid. If you have negative feelings towards TXS try to be more construtive instead of driving them away from a willing market.

Try not to drag references to Lounge threads into the real threads, either. It is a little annoying.

End of Hijack.

Sportura_Collection

And this legitimizes what you did in the sushi thread?

Sportura_Collection

You may need to read more carefully. Because of what I initiated, the TurboXS guy disclosed that the Australian RX8 has a shorter bumper than the US car. First, most of us did not know about this fact. Second, this fact indicates TurboXS knew this and was still trying to slip their product through as is, even though they knew it was not fitted correctly for the US car. Third, that is unacceptable.

A little bit later, the *** kissers came in but we know what they were trying to do: kiss ***. Most of the early posters agreed with me, which encouraged the TurboXS guy to make another disclosure: that a lot of people and vendors complained about the same thing.

I would absolutely call that constructive criticism. Thanks again.

carbonRX8

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Have reading comprehension issues, do we. I simply wont get into this in a legitimate thread. Go back over to the sushi thread and we can bicker to our hearts content. K? You want to talk about exhausts here that is fine.

carbonRX8

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What turboXS does with there product is not for you to judge unacceptable, especially so if you meant that as constructive. Speak with your wallet. Or custom make your own exhaust. Dont try to "rally the masses". As for the *** kissers, I will not disagree, but hey, to each his own.

Sportura_Collection

You've got to be kidding. What any company does with their product is up for public scrutiny. That's how we protect ourselves. That's exactly what this forum did to Mazda way in the beginning of the RX8, leading Mazda to down-rate the HP and offer the Buy Back. That's very constructive, at least for consumers.

carbonRX8

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So, sportura, just so that I was not speaking out of my ***, I stopped by TurboXS today during lunch. I wanted to check out their catback for myself, just to check quality and all. I have to say it is a very nice piece that may grace my car in the very near future. Unfortunately, this may be the last TXS piece made for the 8 and the sole reason is that a vocal 1% of unconstructive people like yourself have put TXS into "reconsideration mode" for the 8. Big things were in the works from TXS (and I mean as big as they do for the WRX and the EVO) and now they may not come out at all because "forum members were whining about the tips" of the TXS exhaust. That is a direct quote and that be you. So if you dont mind, speak only for yourself and not for the masses when, as a 42 post member, you single-handedly scare off new aftermarket suppliers FOR MY CAR!!!!!

Fanman

I really hope you are joking. one guy says something bad about them, and they pack up and leave. I say F**k em' if they are that sensitive. Plenty of vendors get tons of crap from the posters on this board. If they are going to make their R&D decisions based on that then they are clueless. People vote with their wallets. If they make a good product & show repeatable gains, then people will buy it. Racing Beat, SSR Engineerings, K&N, Greddy, etc. have gotten a lot of negative posts. Some of them pointless, but if they turn tail & ran everytime a few posters said negative things about them, they wouldn't have sold a tenth of the product they did. I'm not supporting what Sportura said (truth be known some of his posts are so muddled I didn't even pay attention to them), but if a vendor gets mad because there are a few posters that don't like their product then good riddance. No vendor will get 100% of the audience, 100% of the time.

carbonRX8

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Sure vendors that are high volume or are rotary specific will brush stuff off. These guys are basically wrx and evo tuners. They wanted to get into the 8. Maybe they will take our advice and F*off. I dont know. I just think it is (or was) a shame that that would be due to a vocal few that really dont know what they are talking about. It is pointless to talk **** at vendors just because you can.

Having said that, I completely agree with your point that if you deside to get into a market, do sufficent research first. Dont just peak in and see what takes. Go whole hog and make it work. You are absolutely right about SSR engineering. Think about the crap they got about not being a kit, but they are still here; making 367 hp at last go. But that is just me.

Sportura_Collection

Exactly. Others said the same thing. One guy questioned why they would be discouraged so easily. I brought up why they would resort to psych games. And what I did is valid. Others were thinking the same thing but afraid to say it. The god damn exhaust was not even fitted for the US car, period. Wouldn't you call that shortcutting things a little bit?

Fanman

I'm not agreeing with you either. Some of the comments you made are pretty idiotic. I agree with CarbonRX8 on some of his comments. You make it sound like RB doesn't know what they are doing, you badger them. Do you even have any of their products ? What I despise the most are these pinheads that made stupid comments based on what other people have said, but don't even have the product. I see several people on this board that make comments like they know what they are talking about, but when you ask them they do the "I know someone one who has it" excuse. If you make a comment then I hope you have some 1st hand experience with that product. I've commented on stuff before, but that is because I have had a lot of that stuff on my car, or have seen/heard the product 1st hand.

If a vendor wants to walk away then let them, but unless you have some experience with the vendors product, then your opinion is pretty pointless. Your TurboXS opinion had technical merits, your RB opinions do not. So it's heavier, they never claimed it was lighter, they never claim massive hp increases, they have not stated a lie, like some of the other vendors.