Questions about the catalytic converter
07-09-2011, 05:13 PM
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Questions about the catalytic converter
Hey, I'm pretty new to performance modifications, but I have a few questions concerning the catalytic converter. I recently replaced the stock exhaust and when we removed it, a few chunks of the cat came out. They had been rolling around in the old exhaust. I was wondering why this would happen. I've had the car for about 4 months and it has about 42k miles. Second, I am looking at getting a high flow cat. My budget for my car is pretty low, so what would you guys suggest for me for a high flow cat? Remember, I am pretty much the definition of a newbie.
07-09-2011, 06:43 PM
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no sleep til it spools
hi-flow cats:
http://www.rx7store.net/product_p/rx...flow%20cat.htm
http://blackhaloracing.com/?page_id=60&category=10
as far as the chunks falling out, I don't know. someone more knowledgeable shall soon chime in
http://www.rx7store.net/product_p/rx...flow%20cat.htm
http://blackhaloracing.com/?page_id=60&category=10
as far as the chunks falling out, I don't know. someone more knowledgeable shall soon chime in
07-10-2011, 01:22 AM
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The US goverment has mandated that the catalytic converter is warranted for 80,000 miles/8 yrs. You state that you have 42K miles on the car. Me thinks it is still under warranty if it has to be replaced. Mazda will not replace it until it throws an engine code that turns on the CEL.
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Best to do some reading, or search as TEAM attempted to point out.
There is info in each link below related to the CAT, plus many, many more things you should read.
New and Potential Owner’s, Start Here:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/
Congratulations, you got an 8:
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FAQ’s:
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Above all, please don’t make threads on subjects that have been covered a thousand times, use the search function on this site, or click this link that might work better for you -----> Search rx8club via Google
There is info in each link below related to the CAT, plus many, many more things you should read.
New and Potential Owner’s, Start Here:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/new-potential-owners-start-here-202454/
Congratulations, you got an 8:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/congratulations-you-got-8-a-202548/
New Owner FAQ’s:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.ph...&highlight=FAQ
FAQ’s:
https://www.rx8club.com/new-member-forum-197/rx-8-faq-please-read-before-posting-959/
Above all, please don’t make threads on subjects that have been covered a thousand times, use the search function on this site, or click this link that might work better for you -----> Search rx8club via Google
07-10-2011, 09:47 AM
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^...............paimon.soror.........oh contrarie(sp?) my good friend, click on my link!
The google search.
The google search.
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10-10-2013, 04:42 PM
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Don't mean to resurrect a super old post but the title seemed appropriate for this question.
Does anyone know what the warranty is on a replacement OEM cat from Mazda. Basically my original one went out. Now the replacement has gone out. The guy at the dealership said that the replacement only carries a 12 month 12,000 mile warranty. The 8 year 80k warranty is ONLY for the original cat.
Which that makes zero since to me since the replacement cat is the same thing as the original cat. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone know what the warranty is on a replacement OEM cat from Mazda. Basically my original one went out. Now the replacement has gone out. The guy at the dealership said that the replacement only carries a 12 month 12,000 mile warranty. The 8 year 80k warranty is ONLY for the original cat.
Which that makes zero since to me since the replacement cat is the same thing as the original cat. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
10-10-2013, 04:51 PM
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The federal 8yr/80k warranty specifically states that it covers failure on the vehicle, it says nothing about only covering factory installed parts.
http://www.epa.gov/obd/pubs/420f09048.pdf
The dealer is fully aware of this by the way, they are just trying to stick you with the bill. Fight it, print out that document and bring it to them to show them that you know what the law is and won't be conned.
http://www.epa.gov/obd/pubs/420f09048.pdf
For 1995 and newer model year vehicles, emission control and emission related parts are warranted for the first 2 years or 24,000 miles of vehicle use (whichever first occurs). Specified major emission-control components are warranted for the first 8 years or 80,000 miles of vehicle use (whichever first occurs)
What Are Specified Major Emission Control Components?
There are three specified major emission control components, covered for the first 8 years or
80,000 miles of vehicle use (whichever first occurs) on 1995 and newer vehicles:
• Catalytic converters
• The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU)
• The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD)
There are three specified major emission control components, covered for the first 8 years or
80,000 miles of vehicle use (whichever first occurs) on 1995 and newer vehicles:
• Catalytic converters
• The electronic emissions control unit or computer (ECU)
• The onboard emissions diagnostic device or computer (OBD)
What Do I Do If the Manufacturer Will Not Honor What I Believe to Be a Valid Emissions Warranty Claim?
If you believe the manufacturer has not honored a valid claim and your vehicle has not exceeded the time and mileage limitations, you should contact an authorized warranty representative and follow the procedures outlined in your owner’s manual or warranty booklet. If the authorized dealer denies your warranty claim, contact the manufacturer’s regional or zone office for further assistance. If you are still not satisfied, follow the appeals procedure outlined in your manual or warranty booklet.
If you believe the manufacturer has not honored a valid claim and your vehicle has not exceeded the time and mileage limitations, you should contact an authorized warranty representative and follow the procedures outlined in your owner’s manual or warranty booklet. If the authorized dealer denies your warranty claim, contact the manufacturer’s regional or zone office for further assistance. If you are still not satisfied, follow the appeals procedure outlined in your manual or warranty booklet.
The dealer is fully aware of this by the way, they are just trying to stick you with the bill. Fight it, print out that document and bring it to them to show them that you know what the law is and won't be conned.
10-10-2013, 05:21 PM
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So I called the dealership back and again was told P and P was 12 month 12,000 mile warranty on cat. I told the guy at the dealership that he needs to contact his manager to have it looked at.
This is supposed to be happening. I will give them until tomorrow and will then contact Mazda regional if I don't hear anything back.
I'm not sure why these guys think and show in "their" manuals that the warranty is only 12 and 12.
This is supposed to be happening. I will give them until tomorrow and will then contact Mazda regional if I don't hear anything back.
I'm not sure why these guys think and show in "their" manuals that the warranty is only 12 and 12.
10-10-2013, 05:24 PM
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This is the exact inverse of the engine warranty problem when it's replaced under warranty near the end of warranty, and then it fails just outside warranty. Dealers refuse it because when the warranty covered the replacement, it got the original warranty, and didn't get the parts and service warranty. That difference has boned several members here badly.
If they want to cover it under the 12/12, fine, but it doesn't absolve them of their legal requirement to cover the car's major emissions equipment until 8yr/80k
If they want to cover it under the 12/12, fine, but it doesn't absolve them of their legal requirement to cover the car's major emissions equipment until 8yr/80k
10-10-2013, 05:29 PM
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Well the car is outside of the 8 year 80 K itself. But the actual part itself is only 2 years old. I did find this on the document you posted:
According to federal law, an emission control or emission related part, or a specified major emission control component, that fails because of a defect in materials or workmanship, must be repaired or replaced by the vehicle manufacturer free of charge as long as the vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileage limitations for the failed part.
Does that mean that as long as the car itself is over the 8/80 then the part no longer needs the 8/80?
According to federal law, an emission control or emission related part, or a specified major emission control component, that fails because of a defect in materials or workmanship, must be repaired or replaced by the vehicle manufacturer free of charge as long as the vehicle has not exceeded the warranty time or mileage limitations for the failed part.
Does that mean that as long as the car itself is over the 8/80 then the part no longer needs the 8/80?
10-10-2013, 05:32 PM
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Oh, then yes, the dealer is right. They only have to cover it up to the car being 8yr 80k, and can deny you coverage if you are even 1 day or 1 mile past that. As noted before, the coverage is on the car, not on the part. You don't get a reset on the time when they replace it under warranty.
You don't have any ground to stand on here.
I recommend looking for a midpipe, a used cat on here, or an aftermarket cat that you can have welded in.
You don't have any ground to stand on here.
I recommend looking for a midpipe, a used cat on here, or an aftermarket cat that you can have welded in.
10-10-2013, 05:36 PM
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yup, if the vehicle is out of 8/80k, you're SOL
aftermarket cat or used is the way to go at this point.
aftermarket cat or used is the way to go at this point.
10-10-2013, 06:00 PM
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10-10-2013, 06:13 PM
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It was the coils. They were pretty bad off.
I just installed the BHR ignition this morning.
Cleaned MAF and ESS. Performed NVRAM reset.
(Also spent probably 2 hours a day detailing the engine bay while I waited for BHR to arriv...I was bored)
So now just need to gut that cat and all should be right in the world.
I just installed the BHR ignition this morning.
Cleaned MAF and ESS. Performed NVRAM reset.
(Also spent probably 2 hours a day detailing the engine bay while I waited for BHR to arriv...I was bored)
So now just need to gut that cat and all should be right in the world.
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Re. High-flow cats
Sorry to dredge up an old post, but I don't have a high enough post count to start my own...
I'm going to replace my cat. It is throwing the P0420 code and I just replaced the O2 sensor. It had bad coils a while back and I think that did it in.
I thought about the BHR mid-pipe, but I would rather just put a new cat in. I don't race the car and I rarely push it past 6K. I'm pretty pleased with stock performance. I also don't want to spring for a cat that may fail in the next year or two, if I can at all avoid it. I would also like to keep the cost under $500.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a Davesport cat online. I looked through many pages of Google results. I did find one on eBay, though. The Davesport.com URL now belongs to an off-road outfit in Washington state. So...
Do y'all think one of these cats could do the trick? I'm particularly leaning toward the first one. In either case I could have a muffler shop weld it into my stock pipe.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=271563016304
http://http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=400197738051
I'm going to replace my cat. It is throwing the P0420 code and I just replaced the O2 sensor. It had bad coils a while back and I think that did it in.
I thought about the BHR mid-pipe, but I would rather just put a new cat in. I don't race the car and I rarely push it past 6K. I'm pretty pleased with stock performance. I also don't want to spring for a cat that may fail in the next year or two, if I can at all avoid it. I would also like to keep the cost under $500.
Unfortunately, I couldn't find a Davesport cat online. I looked through many pages of Google results. I did find one on eBay, though. The Davesport.com URL now belongs to an off-road outfit in Washington state. So...
Do y'all think one of these cats could do the trick? I'm particularly leaning toward the first one. In either case I could have a muffler shop weld it into my stock pipe.
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=271563016304
http://http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=400197738051
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02-05-2015, 01:26 AM
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OEM cat or none, there is exactly one exception but it costs a good amount more than an OEM. They will all burn out with time, and the OEM is the only one that can handle it for a reasonable amount of time. It's really not worth it. The cheapest (and one of the best) options is to gut your current cat, or sell it to a catalyst recycler and use the money to buy a BHR midpipe or OEM cat.
You should push your car past 6k more often.
You should push your car past 6k more often.
