thew

NOLOGY HOTWIRES RX-8

Nology HotWires are the most technologically advanced ignition wires available. HotWires create the most powerful spark possible. HotWires are engineered with a special built-in capacitor, exclusive only to HotWires. This revolutionary design allows energy from the ignition coil to accumulate in the capacitor until the voltage at the spark plug electrodes reaches the ionization point. At that split second point the entire power of the stored spark is discharged at once, creating a spark 300 times more powerful. The result is faster, more complete combustion, and most importantly, MORE HORSEPOWER that's 100%. Smog Legal.

http://www.rxecret7.com/rx8ignition.html

thew

Got any info about theses?
just woundering. seems like there a good idea, but i think they might not be the best for the 8 . they hold the spark till its fully charged then it fires, I am thinking this may not work to will witht the ECU ? What do you think ?
Anyone ?

ok someone with a clue

Genom

Vivid has them on their car I think, but from everything I have read about them, it's bunk. Havent felt the need to drop 150 bucks on ignition cables to find out otherwise, as any claimed benefit doesnt seem worth it to me.

BoxerGT2.5

I got them just for sh!tes and giggles. Only noticable gain is in throttle response. Look in the vendors forum under vivid.....thread= Nology wires in stock. I did a brief write up with install and impressions.

thew

ok ill check

Japan8

I have them install on my 400cc V-twin motorcycle. They gave a noticable improvement in response and torque. WHen combined with the "Torque master" spark plug, the torque improvement was clearly noticable (the front end was now hard to keep down!).

As far as an application in a much larger engine... or the 8, I can't say. But they seem to at least help with throttle response.

RX8FOREAL

I have them installed and most noticeable improvement was a smoother idle, particularly after installing K&N intake which caused the idle to be rough from time to time.

bureau13

I've yet to see anything scientific that indicates this is more than hype. I tend to discount butt dyno testimonies, the power of suggestion being what it is. No offense to those who have noticed improvements, but I once "noticed" an improvement when I changed my oil. I didn't trust that butt dyno testament either :-)

jds

OrigMiniViper

I have always used Nology for every car I have owned
They are alot better than MSD ing sys...

HeelnToe

A spark is a spark. The only worry is whether you have it or not.

The main reason to want a "more powerful" spark is to avoid the spark being blown out by high rpms, etc.

Obviously, our stock 8's work just fine with our stock plugs and ignition system, so the "most powerful spark possible" won't improve power any more than dumping 103 octane fuel into a civic. That is, unless you're losing spark at high rpms, it's a pointless upgrade (and we don't know if Nology even creates a stronger spark).

IMHO, anyway

I've always found the cheapest way to improve the butt dyno figures was to wash the car

titaniumgrey

don't think so that it'd gain any hp, but thats just my view

wakeech

complete and utter snake oil. give me one reason why they're better than MSD's, or even OE plug wires. just one.

Japan8

The 8 and even other bikes are a different story... mainly because they are computer-controlled fuel injected engines. Basically... they are tuned better. My bike was carburated, had NOT been re-jetted, had semi-full dual race exhaust (v-twin engine), stock air fliter. Given that...

Here's an undisputable butt-dyno for you.

Pre-nology. I'd be lucky to get the front-end OFF the ground in first gear on my '98 Suzuki SV400S. I did it like once accidentally when taking off in a hurry at nearly WOT. The bike was 100% stock at this time.

Post-nology. I'd be lucky to keep the front ON the ground when taking off with any decent amount of throttle. I got into the habit of slipping the clutch when playing catch up with my friend... else it was consistently front-end in the air.

This only became more pronounced when combined with the "torque master" spark plugs.

I bet someone is going to try to say it was due to the exhaust. It wasn't. It was definitely smoother and a bit more powerful, but it didn't have the extra bit it needed to really get the front-end up easily.

On a well-tuned 4 cylinder (not v-twin like mine) bike with fuel injection would you see such a noticable difference? Probably not. For the 8? Maybe smoother idle like people mention and "improved response." Neither one is really anything measurable. So what if it isn't? So what if it doesn't meet 100% of the claims. That doesn't make it "snake oil." It does something, however, little that may be.

My money is on the improvement coming from the grounding strap built-in rather than their capacitor or anything else.

HeelnToe

I gotta argue with ya cuz... well.. I'm bored

Special plugs and wires don't improve performance whatsoever. Sad, but true. It's all marketing hype.

Slapping on a high-power ignition system doesn't improve performance. Rather, it's a required, supporting modification when you improve performance through valid means (add a turbo or up the boost, etc.).

Even if Nology does create a more powerful spark, it's not going to increase power. You're coming at it all backwards. Increasing the power will eventually require a more powerful ignition system to support it, but simply going to a HiPo ignition system isn't going to add power.

And plugs... there are special types to increase longevity and reduce detonation, but they don't by themselves increase power. In the end, they all just make a spark. The fuel doesn't care how the spark is created or what shape it is, it just goes BOOM.

Japan8

Have you ever seen that spark plug? It's not a shape thing. It's a size of the spark thing. It ain't no split fire, POS. Having gone through split fire I was dubious about any gains from the plugs. I asked someone who said he rides a single bike and it runs a little stronger he said. So I gave it a try. It clearly rode stronger. Would you notice it on a dyno? Maybe as a hardly noticable blip. I didn't say it was like adding a turbo.

Until you've tried it on a single or v-twin motorcycle, I'll say that none of the naysayers can REALLY say anything other than they are taking educated guesses. You weren't there. You haven't tried it. You didn't ride or hear my bike before and after. You just picture how things work in your head and say yes or no. If that was the be all and end all of engineering, no one would need to do road testing, etc. in R&D... they could figure it all out in their heads.

bureau13

Well, the "be all and end all of engineering" doesn't rest with butt dyno impressions either. Engineering is based on scientific fact and buttloads of measurements. I completely disagree with you that a performance difference such as you described (rarely getting the front wheel up vs. hard to keep it down) would not show up on a dyno or some other kind of measurement. It would be fairly obvious over repeated runs.

Maybe your old plugs/wires were bad? I know wires that are deteriorating can certainly impede performance.

jds

Japan8

Seeing as I never dynoed the bike before or after or before it died (un-related problem) not much we can do there.

You are right and wrong. Quantum physics. :D

I doubt much repeatable hp and torque came from the change. Just based on the kinds of performance increases that can be had with the 650cc displacement of the same engine (just a bore up with larger carbs)... especially without re-jetting you aren't going to get a whole lot out of this engine. Less than RX-8 mods get you. Good thing bikes are light.

You could have something... maybe the plug wires were old. Maybe they needed replacement... but... they check things like that during vehicle inspection. :p

What about the more noticable gain when I changed plugs? The old ones were bad? I considered that... that's why changed them... the bike was used and I'd ridden it a bit, espeically in summer Tokyo traffic. Looking at the old plugs... they still had life in them... by my eye and the shop mechanic's.

By your "educated guess" and trying it out, I wasn't just refering to "butt dyno." That's why I mentioned R&D testing... put it on a dyno and test it. Take it for a ride an feel it. If you've never really ridden bikes before, then you wouldn't know that a small increase in hp is pretty noticable. The butt dyno isn't very useful on cars, and it isn't scientific, but it does work on bikes (to tell you if there was a change,or stuff like if your carb jetting is bad...).

Call 'em snake oil if you wish. You have nothing soild (other than theory) to explain or refute my experience. I didn't take dynos or give you a ride... People who've bought them or are going to buy them... get dynos. Post them here. Let's see they give even 1 hp or do anything to the graph at all.

Astor

But the wires are all pretty colors

bureau13

Did they come with Nology stickers? That could explain it...the power gains of stickers has been well documented :D

jds