EatMyBanana

After getting a flash update an monday i can say it is a must for the automatic owners the power deffrence to me is very noticeable. after reading all these threads and post i am wondering if L might be better for M/T and M for A/T. Wouldn.t you think that maybe the M/T and A/T should get seperate updates ,than the same to fix both transmissions? also any other A/T owners have the update ? and if so whats your opion?

SMigneco

JimW. I only put 93 octane in my car and I have been since I got it. Hopefully I will have no problems but you're right about sea level and humidity. I hope I don't have to take the K&N out but if I get the pinging then that will by my first step. If that does not fix the pinging then my next step is the software cable and hopefully a new map from Maurice with a richer fuel mixture.

Good thing you did not lose your place in line!

JimW

I wonder if there is a decent additive to increase octane that might prevent this, but then again this is why the cable and O2 sensors are beneficial and might let you keep the filter. Good luck!

PA BATMOBILE

Xylene and Toluene, which can be found at Sherman-Williams are natural fuel additives. Fuel additives and "octane boosters" were talked about in another thread. Just search for the info.

SMigneco

JimW...I just wanted to let you know that I installed the stage 1 today and have zero problems. Now, today was a pretty cool day but it is still in the 80's.

Beeped 1st and 2nd about 5 times right after install with no power drop at all.

Power is definitely smoother throughout rev range and it gets to redline quicker.

I have no problems with my idle. In fact, if anything, it is smoother with the stage 1 than it was beforehand.

I will have to wait for a really hot day for the true test but as of now, I am not running too lean. YEAH!

rx-81688

sorry what is a M flash can anyone tell me, is't have anything to do with the ECU, or a cumputer program?
and where can u get it at, what is the price, and hp increase

thanks

SMigneco

Hey rx-81688 stop trolling. You PM'd we with the same question. I was nice enough to actually answer your question via PM and now you come onto thread and ask the same question.

DO A SEARCH.

rx-81688

im sorry i tho u never answer me back

LiL BenNy

Correction... isnt the flashes for the ECU?... if so then if you have the canzoomer mod you wouldnt get the flashes right? or am i understading this incorrect...

rotaryaddict

I believe it's time for me to have a little chat with my service manager. I asked him if Mazda had come out with anything to improve the mileage on the rx8 and he said no. It will have to wait 'till monday of course. I have to go and get an estimate done on getting my airdam fixed since I hit a racoon on friday night driving home from work. Ouch! I still feel sorry for the little guy.

TybeeRX-8

This is exactly the flash I had done on 5/26. To see my sticker, go to:
https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...&pagenumber=26

JimW

SMigneco, that's teriffic! Do you notice any seat of the pant's difference? And just to let the others know, according to Mazda The "M" flash has nothing to do with MPG. It is to stop the flooding and hard starting problems. This is their offical stance as of yesterday as they E-mailed me because I was still complaining about MPG even after I had the "M" flash, but we all know that mileage is helped somewhat, but I think that has more to do with how you drive it and the fact that it was leaned out more in the lower RPM band and richened significantly in the 6-7 thousand RPM bandwidth, most people that do everyday driving in traffic will not rev the car that high. In relation to the flashes and Maurices (Canzoomer) stage upgrades, The "M" flash seems to work the best and is the easiest to tune thus far, some people have noticed a much improved difference with the stage 1.1 and "M" flash vrs the stage 1.0 and "L" flash. It is quite possible that a few or many other flashes by Mazda might occur, that is why it might be a good idea to get the cable, so if flashes do occur, all you would need is to transfer the data or map to the box instead of taking it out and shipping it for a new map install, as it can be quite a headache and time consuming for the purchaser and Maurice if updated flashes continue to happen.

Genom

If there's anybody in SoFla that has a stage1 and wants to update it but not buy the cable, let me know. I got the stuff necesary to do it and it takes 30 seconds.

JimW

Genom, how is your car running with the updated map. I'm just curious because Jay Goldfarb dynoed the stage 2 and was very dissapointed, he only measured 178 whp at Pettit racing and did not notice any seat of the pants difference as well. I don't know if he has the "M" flash or that limp mode is the cause. It seems even if it went into limp mode you would still see a higher number than 178 whp, as that seems to be normal on stock RX8s going into limp mode.

AlexCisneros

just to get back on subject for a second... I recently went to the dealer (and they stole my rear Rotary accent) and they pulled up my car's history. On it it showed open and closed recalls. The Air bag and tranny thing were closed, the one open was a computer reflash that "helps start up problems, AND increases performance in upper rev something or other." There is no flash past M atm. It's just a TSB now and dealers want to sound smart (we all know they need too) and say "hey I have a new reflash that increases performance".

For those of you who have not subscribed to RX Tuner magazine (shame on you), there is a nice write up on the different flashes.

Jim, tell Jay I said "I told you to get the Ric Shaw "

rx-81688

do i just go up to any Mazda dealer and say that i want to get m flash done to my car? and they gonna know what im talking a bout


thanks

AlexCisneros

if they don't, have them look up any open recalls. It should pop up

TybeeRX-8

Check Finish Line Performance....Rosenthal Mazda. There is a NEW TSB dated 06/02/04 but I can't tell if it's really new or just the M flash that I got on 5/26. All the numbers are the same except my sticker has an "M" at the end instead of an "A".
http://www.finishlineperformance.com...01-022-04.html

I wish they'd get this thing straight. My dealer/service tech is cooperative but I hate going there every week.

SMigneco

JimW: It is difficult to describe. I don't think it is "seat of your pants," different like the previous stage 1 that was tuned for K flash. It does not give the OOMPH at 5K rpm like that tune did. It is tuned more to give you power throughout the rev range. There is no doubt that the car is different now. Idle is better and it redlines much quicker but it does not kick you in the butt when you floor it. I have noticed less smoot on my tailpipes due to the leaner fuel mixture and I hope to be reporting better gas mileage. I will let you know after a full tank.

I'm sure it can be tuned for more power but Maurice had to back off a little to compensate for different sea level's and weather conditions. Since he tests all of his units high above sea level and in a cool climate, a tune for his car can be much more aggressive than his production tune. Even though I am at sea level and in a hot humid climate...I think it can still be leaned out a little more to provide more power. I am definitely ordering the software/cable this week.

Maurice is a good guy and I don't think that if you order his product and something better comes out he will just leave you high and dry. I'm sure Mazda is going to release an N flash sometime soon and perhaps then Maurice can get more aggressive with his tune again. Who knows. I am just speculating here but at least Maurice is planning ahead by offering the software/cable and putting a USB port on the Stage 1's. He knows what he is doing and will continue to perfect his product. I currently have the 5/18 tune and Maurice is currently working on another tune that will be released shortly. The great thing is that, once I have the software/cable, I can download the leaner tune. If I get pinging or loss of power then I can just hook up my laptop and go back to the tune I know works.

Hopefully Maurice will get his FTP site up soon so we can all just download whichever tune works best for our climate/sea level conditions.

JimW

I would but I think he is already pretty pissed, besides I don't know him personally. I read his post on Canzoomers staged upgrade section. I'm sure Maurice will straighten it out when he returns.

JimW

Thanks SMigneco, I know what to expect more or less.

SMigneco

JimW: No problem. If you have any questions or concerns, shoot me a PM. Since we are both in S. FL, if a meet is put together soon and we both attend I will let you drive my car so you can see how it feels. That is really the only way for you to know if it is something you want to purchase. It is pretty hard to describe via posts. All in all though, I am happy that I purchased it.

JimW

Thanks for the offer SMigneco, I tried to attend the last one that Cortc was at, but it's really hard on the weekend for me as I take the kids to soccer and dance, but I'm going to make one of those meetings as you and the other locals sound like a bunch of great guys.

davefzr

So when we look at the TSB from finishlineperformance it's the A flash?

K FLASH N3H4-18-881K

L FLASH N3H4-18-881L

M FLASH N3H4-18-881M

Latest one issued 6/2 N3H4-18-881A

?? comments.... ??

Sounds like a new PCM part number to me.

jimbo912

I got reflashed today-Part#: n3h6-18-881A. Anyone know which reflash I got???