New BHR Intake Shroud
10-06-2009, 09:16 PM
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This is a very interesting thread... I am not sure the functional use nor the perfmance enhancement that this product provides. In fact the product seems as if it would capture heat and cause the intake to become heat soaked. This seems like a bhr banner for the engine bay that serves no performance purpose at all. I feel that this would be more appropriate in the appereance modification forum.... hopefully a moderator will agree
10-07-2009, 01:01 PM
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This is a very interesting thread... I am not sure the functional use nor the perfmance enhancement that this product provides. In fact the product seems as if it would capture heat and cause the intake to become heat soaked. This seems like a bhr banner for the engine bay that serves no performance purpose at all. I feel that this would be more appropriate in the appereance modification forum.... hopefully a moderator will agree
It also helps create a barrier between the intake and the hood (which has a tendency to get stupid hot and while the majority of the heat rises, it still gives off radiant heat and can possibly cause *ta-da!* heat soak ) which is important to those of us that remove the insulation/sound deadener.
See, you can make anything work with enough bullshit.
Kudos, forum ****!
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10-07-2009, 02:47 PM
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Seeing as how it DIRECTLY has to do with a performance modification and requires the use of said performance modification (add-on) and it doesn't trap heat since it's not completely enclosed, it can trap nothing but a gaze or two when the hood is up and I think they might let it slide.
It also helps create a barrier between the intake and the hood (which has a tendency to get stupid hot and while the majority of the heat rises, it still gives off radiant heat and can possibly cause *ta-da!* heat soak ) which is important to those of us that remove the insulation/sound deadener.
See, you can make anything work with enough bullshit.
Kudos, forum ****!
It also helps create a barrier between the intake and the hood (which has a tendency to get stupid hot and while the majority of the heat rises, it still gives off radiant heat and can possibly cause *ta-da!* heat soak ) which is important to those of us that remove the insulation/sound deadener.
See, you can make anything work with enough bullshit.
Kudos, forum ****!
This modification is essentially an oven for the intake tube. I can understand that someone might want to put this banner on their car but I am simply pointing out that it should be put in the appereance section as to not mislead those who are not more knowledgable about perfromance modifications.
10-07-2009, 03:34 PM
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There is no thread for engine enhancement parts. Believe me I thought about where to put this thread.
And if you think this is an oven just by design please give me some data to sustain your claim. Not just speculation.
Remember, I live in AZ. It's freakin hot here. I have watched my AEM intake temps with the AP and they are the same as before the BHR box install. All relates to ambient air temp and speed of the car.
If you looked at the actual box design you would see that air is capable of entering around the CAI (same size hole as the factory box) where it passes through the radiator core support. From the nose of the car. Air is not just sitting in the unit acting like a convection oven.
And if you think this is an oven just by design please give me some data to sustain your claim. Not just speculation.
Remember, I live in AZ. It's freakin hot here. I have watched my AEM intake temps with the AP and they are the same as before the BHR box install. All relates to ambient air temp and speed of the car.
If you looked at the actual box design you would see that air is capable of entering around the CAI (same size hole as the factory box) where it passes through the radiator core support. From the nose of the car. Air is not just sitting in the unit acting like a convection oven.
10-07-2009, 04:47 PM
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I would say that the affects of the radient heat coming off the engine is far greater than the less than 3 sq in. left after blocking most of the engine bay cutout that the CAI fits through,,, The air in that area has little to no flow to it at all or there would be no need for a CAI in the first place.
I would think thats its more the case that you would have to disprove the concept that it doesnt trap heat rather than someone proving that there is no residual heat soak, and thats not even getting into the 'material' conversation yet, just like ScottyFlow absurdly used the hood is a greater heat source than the engine argument, there is something to be salvaged from his example, the material its made out of. The top plate and the whole case itself will only procceed to get hotter and hotter over time, not cooler and cooler,,,
I would think thats its more the case that you would have to disprove the concept that it doesnt trap heat rather than someone proving that there is no residual heat soak, and thats not even getting into the 'material' conversation yet, just like ScottyFlow absurdly used the hood is a greater heat source than the engine argument, there is something to be salvaged from his example, the material its made out of. The top plate and the whole case itself will only procceed to get hotter and hotter over time, not cooler and cooler,,,
10-07-2009, 05:00 PM
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This modification is essentially an oven for the intake tube. I can understand that someone might want to put this banner on their car but I am simply pointing out that it should be put in the appereance section as to not mislead those who are not more knowledgable about perfromance modifications.
There is no thread for engine enhancement parts. Believe me I thought about where to put this thread.
And if you think this is an oven just by design please give me some data to sustain your claim. Not just speculation.
Remember, I live in AZ. It's freakin hot here. I have watched my AEM intake temps with the AP and they are the same as before the BHR box install. All relates to ambient air temp and speed of the car.
If you looked at the actual box design you would see that air is capable of entering around the CAI (same size hole as the factory box) where it passes through the radiator core support. From the nose of the car. Air is not just sitting in the unit acting like a convection oven.
And if you think this is an oven just by design please give me some data to sustain your claim. Not just speculation.
Remember, I live in AZ. It's freakin hot here. I have watched my AEM intake temps with the AP and they are the same as before the BHR box install. All relates to ambient air temp and speed of the car.
If you looked at the actual box design you would see that air is capable of entering around the CAI (same size hole as the factory box) where it passes through the radiator core support. From the nose of the car. Air is not just sitting in the unit acting like a convection oven.
I would think thats its more the case that you would have to disprove the concept that it doesnt trap heat rather than someone proving that there is no residual heat soak, and thats not even getting into the 'material' conversation yet, just like ScottyFlow absurdly used the hood is a greater heat source than the engine argument, there is something to be salvaged from his example, the material its made out of. The top plate and the whole case itself will only procceed to get hotter and hotter over time, not cooler and cooler,,,
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10-07-2009, 05:06 PM
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You so called critics are cracking me up.
It's not a closed box design, it won't heat up the intake tube any more then the air ALREADY in your engine bay will.
Next thing you'll say is that the aftermarket strut bars people are buying will heat up and since they're near the intake tube, THAT TOO will significantly raise the temperature of the air entering engine.
Careful Easy, you have the Intake Shroud AND a strut bar, your engine is soooo going to overheat.
It's not a closed box design, it won't heat up the intake tube any more then the air ALREADY in your engine bay will.
Next thing you'll say is that the aftermarket strut bars people are buying will heat up and since they're near the intake tube, THAT TOO will significantly raise the temperature of the air entering engine.
Careful Easy, you have the Intake Shroud AND a strut bar, your engine is soooo going to overheat.
Last edited by Jedi54; 10-07-2009 at 05:09 PM.
10-07-2009, 05:15 PM
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Flashwig I completely agree with you... but you dont see oil cap and engine cover modifications here in the performance section. If someone with less knowledge may see this thread may think this will help them in some performance aspect.
Jedi... I think you need to take an ir gun to your intake tube and then tell me your results. If this is an appearence modifiction that is fine but again it should be in te right section
Jedi... I think you need to take an ir gun to your intake tube and then tell me your results. If this is an appearence modifiction that is fine but again it should be in te right section
10-07-2009, 05:35 PM
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are you saying that because it's a BHR product that my sheer love for them will blind me from Reality? Give it a freaking rest, I'm so sick of that stupid argument.
Flashwig I completely agree with you... but you dont see oil cap and engine cover modifications here in the performance section. If someone with less knowledge may see this thread may think this will help them in some performance aspect.
Jedi... I think you need to take an ir gun to your intake tube and then tell me your results. If this is an appearence modifiction that is fine but again it should be in te right section
Jedi... I think you need to take an ir gun to your intake tube and then tell me your results. If this is an appearence modifiction that is fine but again it should be in te right section
This is to accent a performance mod already in place; AEM intake, MS intake, etc. In my opinion, it makes sense to have it HERE since people who buy Cold Air Intakes don't go looking in the appearance mod sub forum to help them make a decision on which intake to buy.
Let me give you an example: I currently own the Racing Beat intake + Duct and LOVE it. I recommend it to people all the time.
I chose the RB for its design AND appearance. I've said this more times then I can even remember : I do not like the look of the AEM / MS because the engine bay looks 'incomplete' to me. Had I been shopping for an intake and something like this was available, I might have gone the route of the AEM intake seeing as how it seems to be the preferred intake of choice. (maf scaling, functionality, etc)
Hopefully no one here is dumb enough to think it actually qualifies as a performance mod. Honestly if they do think it is, they have no business owning an RX-8
Next time I have a dyno day, I will take an IR gun to this and compare it to someone who doesn't have the shroud.
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10-07-2009, 05:45 PM
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Isnt that what BHR encourages everyone else to do with thier so called R & D, and yes I put it that way because the classic them vs us metality always ensues,,,
But regardless, I still stand behind what I originally stated...
10-07-2009, 05:50 PM
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Whatever BHR's policies, mentalities, or belief systems are, they are THEIRS, not mine. I don't work for BHR Greg, you know that. I form my own opinions and on ocassion they are contrary to Ray's and I'm the 1st one to call him and criticize him on stuff.
You are entitled to your opinion, no one is going to take that away from you. I'll just gladly point out that I don't agree with it.
You are entitled to your opinion, no one is going to take that away from you. I'll just gladly point out that I don't agree with it.
10-07-2009, 05:52 PM
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Alright now that its been cleared up that its strictly an aesthetic item lets discuss that,,,,
In this sense to appeal to the most amount of people possible, which is undoubtedly the scenario, I think your design has some major oversights/flaws,,,
1. the leading edge of the crimp should line up more flush with the leading edges of the other boxes(battery, fuse)
2. you should have designed it so that people can also use the engine cover, just like the K&N Ver.II
3. for some reason when designing the undertray you decided not to line up the vertical wall on the fuse box side when you lined up the vertical wall on the battery box side, specifically where they meet the corners of the upper lip,,,,
4. already mentioned, but, Black would be the nicer option here,,,,
5. those fastener clips are attrociously too large, those could hold together an airplane wing, please find smaller, if possible flush mounted...
Take it or leave,,,,,
In this sense to appeal to the most amount of people possible, which is undoubtedly the scenario, I think your design has some major oversights/flaws,,,
1. the leading edge of the crimp should line up more flush with the leading edges of the other boxes(battery, fuse)
2. you should have designed it so that people can also use the engine cover, just like the K&N Ver.II
3. for some reason when designing the undertray you decided not to line up the vertical wall on the fuse box side when you lined up the vertical wall on the battery box side, specifically where they meet the corners of the upper lip,,,,
4. already mentioned, but, Black would be the nicer option here,,,,
5. those fastener clips are attrociously too large, those could hold together an airplane wing, please find smaller, if possible flush mounted...
Take it or leave,,,,,
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10-07-2009, 05:52 PM
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I would say that the affects of the radient heat coming off the engine is far greater than the less than 3 sq in. left after blocking most of the engine bay cutout that the CAI fits through,,, The air in that area has little to no flow to it at all or there would be no need for a CAI in the first place.
I would think thats its more the case that you would have to disprove the concept that it doesnt trap heat rather than someone proving that there is no residual heat soak, and thats not even getting into the 'material' conversation yet, just like ScottyFlow absurdly used the hood is a greater heat source than the engine argument, there is something to be salvaged from his example, the material its made out of. The top plate and the whole case itself will only procceed to get hotter and hotter over time, not cooler and cooler,,,
I would think thats its more the case that you would have to disprove the concept that it doesnt trap heat rather than someone proving that there is no residual heat soak, and thats not even getting into the 'material' conversation yet, just like ScottyFlow absurdly used the hood is a greater heat source than the engine argument, there is something to be salvaged from his example, the material its made out of. The top plate and the whole case itself will only procceed to get hotter and hotter over time, not cooler and cooler,,,
So I wonder how the intake temps stay the same as with the box as without the box. Go figure.
Just like every other component in the engine compartment.
10-07-2009, 06:02 PM
#93
there could be a lot of reasons... the sensor isnt sensitive enough, your not driving the car hard.
Listen I only bring this up becuase I have been doing a lot of testing on the temps in th engine bay and I have a good idea where the heat sinks are.... the fact is that is adding to the heat sink and the radiant heat will infact effect the heat soak of your intake. Its not speculation at all. I appreciate you recognizing that this is not a performance mod but after testing you will see that it does not help the situation.
Stick with your original idea that its made to dress up the engine bay
Listen I only bring this up becuase I have been doing a lot of testing on the temps in th engine bay and I have a good idea where the heat sinks are.... the fact is that is adding to the heat sink and the radiant heat will infact effect the heat soak of your intake. Its not speculation at all. I appreciate you recognizing that this is not a performance mod but after testing you will see that it does not help the situation.
Stick with your original idea that its made to dress up the engine bay
10-07-2009, 06:04 PM
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if you're running the cai without an undertray, you'll end up with more dirt and dust on your engine than without.
I just don't like the plastic bits, so this as a metal undertray will work nicely.
PS: My AEM CAI is ceramic coated.
I just don't like the plastic bits, so this as a metal undertray will work nicely.
PS: My AEM CAI is ceramic coated.
10-07-2009, 06:05 PM
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Alright now that its been cleared up that its strictly an aesthetic item lets discuss that,,,,
In this sense to appeal to the most amount of people possible, which is undoubtedly the scenario, I think your design has some major oversights/flaws,,,
1. the leading edge of the crimp should line up more flush with the leading edges of the other boxes(battery, fuse)
2. you should have designed it so that people can also use the engine cover, just like the K&N Ver.II
3. for some reason when designing the undertray you decided not to line up the vertical wall on the fuse box side when you lined up the vertical wall on the battery box side, specifically where they meet the corners of the upper lip,,,,
4. already mentioned, but Black would be the nicer option here,,,,
5. those fastener clip are attroshously too large, those could hold together an airplane wing, please find smaller, if possible flush mounted...
Take it or leave,,,,,
In this sense to appeal to the most amount of people possible, which is undoubtedly the scenario, I think your design has some major oversights/flaws,,,
1. the leading edge of the crimp should line up more flush with the leading edges of the other boxes(battery, fuse)
2. you should have designed it so that people can also use the engine cover, just like the K&N Ver.II
3. for some reason when designing the undertray you decided not to line up the vertical wall on the fuse box side when you lined up the vertical wall on the battery box side, specifically where they meet the corners of the upper lip,,,,
4. already mentioned, but Black would be the nicer option here,,,,
5. those fastener clip are attroshously too large, those could hold together an airplane wing, please find smaller, if possible flush mounted...
Take it or leave,,,,,
Now I want you to go and play critic on all the other products that every other company makes. Seeing how you think your so good at it. And if you don't I'll just think, and everybody else that your a BHR hater trying to stir up ****.
10-07-2009, 06:09 PM
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The AccessPort is capable of measure IAT and according to two people who live in the desert, the temps remain the same.
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10-07-2009, 06:10 PM
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there could be a lot of reasons... the sensor isnt sensitive enough, your not driving the car hard.
Listen I only bring this up becuase I have been doing a lot of testing on the temps in th engine bay and I have a good idea where the heat sinks are.... the fact is that is adding to the heat sink and the radiant heat will infact effect the heat soak of your intake. Its not speculation at all. I appreciate you recognizing that this is not a performance mod but after testing you will see that it does not help the situation.
Stick with your original idea that its made to dress up the engine bay
Listen I only bring this up becuase I have been doing a lot of testing on the temps in th engine bay and I have a good idea where the heat sinks are.... the fact is that is adding to the heat sink and the radiant heat will infact effect the heat soak of your intake. Its not speculation at all. I appreciate you recognizing that this is not a performance mod but after testing you will see that it does not help the situation.
Stick with your original idea that its made to dress up the engine bay
10-07-2009, 06:13 PM
#100
I am not making the any insinuation that you were. I was saying that people should realize it will effect heat soak and should be in the correct section as you said earlier. If it was in the correct forum I would have nothng to say about. I just feel its misleading in this portion of the forum.