Just an FYI...we're not the one playing word games. Ito's posts are cloudier than a day in Seattle. All we're trying to say is that when he gets his achieved numbers, THAT is the time to make a new thread, not before. He is sharing nothing more than I can say. Would you like ME to say that my car makes 240WHP without proof? i think not.

And if he's worried about getting in trouble with Mazda, that in itself is reason enough to refrain from posting at all. I am not calling him a liar, there's just more valuable information on this forum than all us members having to "believe" Ito, or better yet, sift through endless posts by him to decipher what the heck he is talking about.

I am less skeptical than I was at the beginning of this thread... a N/A 60 rwhp boost would be fantastic. It looks like a supercharger would still be needed to add a little more low end grunt, it will be interesting to compare dyno's of FI to this (if we are ever able to see the full dyno sheet that is, and know what exactly was changed).

I wonder what Mazda's engineering dept. would market a this system at 300-315hp? :).

I concur with the two gentlemens' posts above (Tony and NAV). Let the man do his thing and unless you have any constructive information to offer, shut it! You're cluttering the thread. What kind of rotary owners do we have in this forum anyway? It is embarrassing that I get labeled as "one of those 8 owners" because of the kind of arrogant whiny posts in this thread.

Keep up the good work Ito.

I agree, who cares about the meaning of his bone stock claims. It's semmantics.

With the phenomenal level of bullsh*ting and crotch grabbing that goes on in that forum, I'm not surprised.
As whiny as this forum is, the level of fabrication that gets elevated to "fact" over there is enchanting.

Its great that his engine hasn't blown ! That shows that the Renesis can hold its own under more stressful conditions. Great news for Charles and his N2O projects.
Good luck with your adventures with the Renesis !

i'm analyzing Judge Ito 14.3 timeslip and I find it very odd. Let me explain. Here is his timeslip when he did the 14.5 and 14.6 (missing 4th)

R/T .358
60. 2.17
330. 6.07
1/8. 9.35
MPH 75.64
1000. 12.17
1/4. 14.57
MPH. 94.07


R/T. .455
60.1.98
330. 5.98
1/8. 9.29
MPH. 76.03
1000. 12..09
1/4. 14.66
MPH. 93.33

now here is his timeslip for his 14.3 run:

car # 223
R/T .365
60 .2.409
330 .6.403
1/8 .9.073
MPH .75.42
990 .12.388
1/4 .14.324
MPH .95.77

if you just compare the times...he runs slower in the 60 foot, 330, 1/8 mph, and 1000 in the 14.3 compare to the other runs, 14.5 and 14.6 but still manage somehow to run a 14.3. THe only thing that was faster on the 14.3 timeslip is the 1/8 time. I just find that odd. Or maybe the RX8 doesn't have much topend pull at all. :confused:

What makes you people think taking a stock renesis motor, and modifying and adding things to it, especially nos, makes this anything special. You can do this with any car. What if I were to take a 100 shot and add it to my sti. If you run nos, you can take the word STOCK right out of the equation. Don't be fooled by this so called secret. What he is doing to his car is not something most of you would ever dream of doing, unless you have lots of money to piss away, and don't mind ruining your car. I do find it funny how all of you actually look at this as something you cna do to make your rx8 faster. This is tweaking and manipulation out of a motor that should not be used this way. He's already fried several trannies, he's going to see what he can get out of this motor, and let it blow up. PLEASE someone explain this to me. I'm not hating anything, but I don't understand the interest in this. DO YOU THINK YOU CAN DO THIS TO YOUR CAR< AND MAKE IT A 239HP DAILY DRIVER? Do you think it's going to be safe and reliable on engine? You can't spray NOS at every light, so 239whp is jack crap with the cheating canister. You all have fun with this, but get those crazy thoughts out of your heads. This guy has money to burn, and a car to destroy,, so let him be. :)

Well, we can do some math from there, too.


The curb weight for an RX-8 GT is 3053. Add 170lbs for a driver and 30lbs for a 1/3 tank of gas and we have a 3253lb starting weight.

Using the MPH calculation (hp=weight*(speed/234)^3), we get 211, 206 and 223 HP for the 14.5, 14.6 and 14.3 ET runs, respectively.
Using the ET calculation (hp=weight*(speed/234)^3), we get 208, 204 and 219 HP respectively.
It gets more interesting when you do the 1/8 mile derivations from the 1/4 mile times and 1/4 mile extrapolations from the 1/8 mile times.
The formulas are:
1/4 Mile ET = (1/8 Mile ET + .22) / .655
1/8 Mile ET = (1/4 Mile ET * .655) - .22
Based on the 1/4 mile times, the 1/8 mile times should have been 9.32, 9.382 and 9.162.
In the other direction, the 1/8 miles times should have been 14.66, 14.52 and 14.12.

Obviously, there is something more than traction issues going on here.

I totally under stand the "for my own protection" thing. I bitchslapped Mitsubishi for a new engine after running 125 HP shot and burning a hole in the #1 and #4 piston. They deserve it though, buch of dicks, checking the SCCA websites for EVO owners that are competing and then voiding their warranties.

I guess they'll have to race under an alias. I think it's great that you have made more power, I just would really like to know how. It's tough having a fully kitted 8 on 19's that is slower than stock b/c my wheels are too heavy. :mad:

Well I've been watching this thread since the beginning and kept my mouth shut so far...it's been a fun thread to follow. First off...Ito good on you. Have fun with it. Secondly I agree with VikingDJ even if we did know what he was doing would any of you want to? He's frying tires and prob clutches trying to get the most out of the engine. Stop with the semantics about what's stock and what is not. I think we should all wish Ito luck.

I think it's fun how someone is taking the steps forward to making the RX-8 faster, regardless if you can do it to your car or not. I'm a big fan of the RX-8 and that is why I lurk around this forum and get excited everytime I hear great news about it. The crybabies really ruin the flow of info here. Instead of asking certain questions, they start taunting each and everyone about providing proof for something. We are not writing Peer Journals here people, this is a forum! Cry elsewhere.

I do agree with the "RX8 nazi" thing, there is a lot of "Hey, you tell us or you're a shithead" attitude or microanalysis of every bit of what someone says and then call them a "shithead" for their analysis.

Lighten up everyone, this is a forum. People are here to tell everyone what they have to say including what they don't want to say.

I'll check again tomorrow and see what this thread becomes.

thats kinda interesting...where did you get that formula from?? well from what you just sayed...lets analyzed my time a bit:

60. 2.27
330. 6.059
1/8. 9.047
MPH 78.86
1/4. 14.03
MPH. 100.2

this was done with i/h/e on a 2001 celica gts. Weigh of it is 2500 (curb weight) add 170 hp (same figure you use). Also 1/3 gas = 30 lbs. So weight is 2700

lets see.

HP = weight * (speed/234)^3 = 212 HP on that run...wow...i didn't think I was making that much. I dyno my car and it was 182 hp. Now that I'm making 193 to the wheel, I guess next time I go to the track, I should be hitting 103-104 trapspeed which mean I would be making, 230 hp to the wheel.... :eek: wow. I like your formula...I should go tell everyone that I'm making 230 hp now, woo hoo. haha.

To be a little serious, here is my video: :D

http://www.aracheon.com/videos/crazy...agtsfinal1.wmv

I also have the gtech pro (the newest one) and I have ran a 13.6-13.7 with it in cool weather. I ran a couple of weeks ago and this is what I ran with it.

http://67.119.161.21/nc/run3.jpg

Whatever he did to the car can possibly be compatible for daily driving. If he is getting times the way he did when he was STOCK - then it is going to cause damage. I remember he practically redlined it then dropped the clutch. That'll jack almost any car up....so I think with daily driving - not drag racing, it'll be fine......................................WHATEVER IT IS ????=)

Dear God guys I go on vacation for 1 weekend and you guys bash one of the best contributors to the rotary community... wtf is wrong with some of you.

I spoke with ITO on the phone no he didn't NOS or Boost the engine and no I don't know what he did.

His motor is bone stock, because when he broke his tranny for the 2nd time while he was at the dealership a rep from Mazda Corporate comes in asks him flat out "are you Judge ITO" and then shows him a Binder 500pages long of all the posts he’s made here on rx8/7club and nopistons. If i was him hell my motor would be bonier then stock.

As for what i think he did he is the "porting God" according to most people so im going to say he ported and polished the motor and then tuned for it. Acosta did this same thing with their Red Renesis Rx-8 and made 220whp.

And if he did raise the redline to above 10k you should all be applauding him that his motor can do it reliably assuming that something was done to counteract the pressure built up on the apex seals going over the epitrochoid. (Above 10k you get a horrible vibration there, usually you have to find a different way to spring the seals.) Least that’s my understanding, some full blown race engines use gas compression to do it.

And one last think all you wankers who say that only Judge ITO can run 14.5's because he’s running "95oct" this and that "pro drag racer" My timeslip from Gateway while i was in St.Louis can be found in the new sticky here: https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-racing-25/14-58-%40-94-55mph-37357/

ITO

Just ignore all the crap that people are dishing out on this link.

Thank you for opening our minds to the possibilities and we should all wait for further developments as they arise.

I am afraid that in todays society of wanting (demanding) things now by spoilt people is causing unnecessary aggravation with some people out there. This is not your problem...they need to deal with it.

Keep up the good work.

skc

I like ITO and admit he is very good at what he does. He has always been a valuable member of the rotary community. Based on what has been said, I am going to list it here so we can all see how this 240 rwhp engine is setup.

Before I do, I need to address one thing. Engine porting isn't stock! Not even close.

Let's analyze what hasn't been done to the car based on what has been posted here. THis also assumes this info is accurate.

1. No intake. Stock.
2. No exhaust. Stock.
3. No forced induction. (supercharger, turbocharger)
4. No nitrous. Stock.
5. No porting. Stock.
6. No ecu tuning. Stock.

I'll be a good sport and consider a new flywheel stock whether it has one or not. I'll also be nice and accept raising the redline as stock even though power falls off before this point and is going back down before fuel cutoff kicks in. No point in going there with a "stock" intake manifold.

The no nitrous comment really seems fishy to me after seeing a huge power jump at about 6000 rpm. It really does look like a 50 shot of nitrous. I would accept this as the only mod that can leave all of the factory existing parts on a car which would keep it "stock'. In my eyes though anything that didn't come with the car that was added later constitutes a mod.

Assuming everything above is accurate, there are only a few possibilities that it can be if there is in fact no nitrous.

1. His car is a freak of the batch. (unlikely)
2. He discovered and fixed a problem that every RX-8 has but no one knows about. (unlikely)
3. Mazda gave him a new ecu that was tuned properly at the factory such as a modified Mazdaspeed unit. (unlikely)
4. The dyno numbers are false. (I don't believe this to be the case BTW) (he is too reputable so I'll call this unlikely)

With the above info, how are we to believe that the car is in fact totally 100% stock but putting down 220 rwhp? No one else has so why is this car so special? Everyone is wondering this. What is pissing people off is that there is no proof and no feasible way it is true based off of current info. The fact that Ito has 220 rwhp actually isn't the issue. The issue is with the car being 100% factory stock. It can't be!

Ito ran a 14.3 when no one else did because no one else plays with their tire pressure like he does. No one else can get off the line as good.

Ito is a smart guy and if he says he has 220 rwhp, he has 220 rwhp! Please accept the fact that he may be saying the car is stock because Mazda is taking notes on him (I vote unlikely on the 500 documented pages comment also!) and he is worried about warranty work. I still think it is a conservative nitrous shot that is the only mod to an otherwise stock car. All of the evidence points to that.

No the Binder of posts is straight from the horses (ITO’s) mouth that really did happen...

All he is doing is covering his own ass for an incident like that again so just let it go and "believe" that the motor is "bone stock"

He didn't know that Mazda was monitoring him as closely as they were until he went to the dealer for the 2nd time his tranny broke.
He’s posting this info because he wants to share his plethora of information with this community but he cannot to the point that it incriminates him if something does blow up and he needs his warranty.

if he can get off the line so good...how can you explain the 60 foot of a 2.4 on his 14.3 run?? :confused: I mean from his previous run, he did get a good launch by just looking at his 60 foot. I would believe his 14.3 run if he got a 60 foot of under 2.0 but he didn't so yeah its hard to believe. Oh well. :rolleyes:

2.4 isn't all that bad for a 14 second car.

When the time is right I'll let the cat out the bag. If Rx tuner is interested we might have a write up on the magazine about the mod I decided to do to my Rx8. Porting and polishing might be an option but it will void engine warranty. I am not saying I ported my engine. I have to decide what is best for my own protection. And I'll share the info. with fellow rotary engine enthusiasts when I'm ready. If and when I decide to let the info. out. I will make note of all the negative vibe I've gotten here. I am more of an asset to this rotary world we live in then a liability. Thanks to the members that have shown respect for my dedication to Mazda and the rotary engine.

I would just hate to see what half of these people would say on a magician forum! "tell us all your tricks!"

anyhow, you are a god among men Ito, I look forward to the rx tuner article!

Ito Mete Mano Que Esta Gente Son Una Valsa De Hijo De La Granput*, Celosos De Lo Que Usted Esta Haciendo,....

Keep Up The Good Work, I Look Forward Next Year When I Get My White 05..\



Stalin

Polak i dont know were you getting that acosta red rx8 made 220 but its wrong unless they did that in the last week or so.that thing is not ported.the only thing he has is something like an piggy back which controls the fuel and ignition . the only thing they got out of that was 9 hp they wanted to put it in my car but to me it was not worth cutting wires for 9 hp, if you read my old post i was there trying to tune my canzoomer unit about 3 weeks ago but no luck.

the caravan to rotorfest he decided to test out the red rx8 with some members here.and yes he states its ported.i dont believe he is lying then he is just making himself look stupid. I of course never seen the work getting done and i didnt do a pull with him.but the member who did can tell you what he thinks.

ITO do us a favor for the people that want to hear stories and you still trying to pull power out keep us updated.as for dealer comments, if its one thing i know they use you as a poster child.they are more than aware that you post here and other forums.i totally understand you keeping it a secret.and i know what you are capable of.

also will you be making any more dyno,track apperances.im intrested in either video the runs for you if you like.

wow, 14 pages of bashing one of the rotary community's legit contributors, geesh, I'm almost ashamed to drive an 8 after reading through all this drivel. what's next? holy crap are there a bunch of impatient crybabies on here, you all should be glad you even have a car, much less one as fabulous as our 8. Take a look at the 350z for example, it was over a year before any FI was introduced or anything like that. This wondrous car has loads of potential, it's only a matter of time before we start seeing what it can really do, just be patient and let "da' judge" do his thing, along with all the other companies. I've been a rotary fan for years and have followed Ito's posts for a while now, he's one of the few member's on this board (and other boards) whose posts are legit, arguing over the definition of stock and this and that is just ignorant, no wonder all the more knowledgeable folks stay the heck away from here, what a sad thread.

newtlicious might be on to something, but it's way over my head.

I don't have the automotive expertise to truly appreciate a lot of technical things that many of you discuss and debate, so I read an learn. Having said that, I can appreciate and respect someone advancing and improving upon what is there. I think it's that drive, that need to innovate that defines us.

Ito is the man. He has done what some had began to think was impossible without FI and now you guys are trashing him for it, with a 14 page long pst of bullshit, I don't blame him if he never tells you what he did. If he did do tell us right now what he did to the renisis would you guys really run out and have it done, most likly not. We already know most members are scared shitless to use the bottle and porting an engine is no simple job. So just slow down what until he perfects it and hope that after all your trash talking that he will actually tell you. You guys need to start kissing som serious @## and complementing him on his great automotive skills because you guys couldn't do it, but he did. Put an end to the "Ito slam saga" and just relax.
-Ito and Polak man I wish I could hang with you guys one day.

My life = Waste of time
 

Im a troll so i was banned.

I can completely understand why Ito is not saying what he has done to his car b/c of fear that Mazda is watching him do to his previous problems with them. But I also understand why people are so pissed at him for coming on hear and not telling us what he has done - that is childish of him regardless of the fact that he has a perfectly good reason not to share info at this time.

IMO, Ito should have named this tread "Renesis Capable of Making 240 whp." Then he could have just said that his shop built and RX-8 that dyno'd at 239 whp after such and such was done to it.

If that would have been done, Ito could have shared his info with everyone without any fear of voiding his warranty or pissing off certain members because no where would he have said that the work was done on his car, just that it had been successfully done to a RX-8. Then all would have been well...hopefully :rolleyes: .

thankgod you only have ONE post here
i have never said this before here PLS GO AWAY

the real problem is you have no idea what this man is to the rotary community.yes you maybe new and just sold your camaro and got a 8 ok fine maybe you have no idea what a rotary car is eitherway.clueless even,its still no reason to try to make someone seem like a idiot,

you maybe the reason why he isnt posting, what dealer you work for again ???? :confused:


guys pls stop arguing about this crap.do we all agree that we are here to learn ?
in that said time will tell
P.S im sure ITO is in his office now laughing this shit up.

Okay, here's your warning. You can follow the rules of the forum you agreed to when you signed up, and be polite, or we can ban you on the spot. This namecalling bit isn't making you any friends on here.

Ito...you rock man...

Show me the horsey! hehe..well..when you're ready of course...

Master8 Before you hijack this thread with you im so much better then all you garbage just do us a favor and stop.

ITO made 240rwhp on a motor that appears to be stock under the hood there only a few things he could have done. Porting being the most likely IMHO.

So end it stop questioning him, respect his reasons for not saying flat out he did this and that.

How would you feel if your coils fried after running the Canzoomer unit and you posted it on the forum, then when you went to the dealer for new coils they had a printed out copy of your post.

How do they prove it is you posting. I'm not starting trouble just asking for my own information. :)

Would you believe that Mazda has actual employees that monitor probably even post on this forum.

And if your questionable enough they might even have a book on you :)

Proving it isn't hard im sure you could deny it in a court room and win but in the dealerships office it’s a little difficult. Just look at all the "Post Pictures of Yourself" threads and how many times have you seen someone not bother to black or white out their license plate number.

Actually I never wanted to post here but this thread has just too much BS to pass up!

neways 15 pages of BS and counting!

Good then you wont have to worry about it anymore Master8=Banned.

Go complain how we don't know anything about cars and are morons on the 7 forum to make yourself feel better.

Thanks PoLaK for clearing out the Master8 troll. Is there any way we can clean this thread up? I'm still curious about Ito's methods, but this thread is hard to navigate through.

he's been using the name of judge ito for a long time now, so, if they really want to find out who judge is, trust me , they can...

evil

uncalled for Joe. you r just feeding into the hysteria that is this thread. enough already

and im with shelleys_man_06
i got and idea guys on how we can

A: learn more about our motors, and there potential's
B:talk to the judge himself
C:pick his brain for a bit
answer AIM chat room ?

back on topic - is porting and polishing any different on a rotary engine than a piston engine? I didn't that a P&P could yield such power gains, but that was based on my piston knowledge.

whats does a good P&P job cost?

I believe in both situations, you're opening the port area in order to flow more air. The higher the mass flow rate, the more power you are going to make.

one thing i do not understand- if mazda has already called him out for past issues than the game is already over. why hide it now? they already know who is and undoubtley have read this rather interesting tale in this thread. so they already know who he is and that he has doen something to the car. he wont ever get any warrenty work done any way because they will just deny every claim not knowing what part he has modified.

again- not questioning that he has done what he says. just dont understand keeping it secret if he is worried about the "mazda police". ergo he is not protecting just himself but someone else as well.

I just cleaned this thread up it was not fun. I would be careful what you all say till i cool down no tell what i'll DO! IM UNSTABLE!

Just kidding but if i ever have to delete that many posts again there wont be any warnings.

I don't think it is port/polish. Why hide it from mazda if you've already obviously voided the warranty. You can't just undo an operation like that.

Hey Polak, I know you also have no idea what happened to Ito's "stock" engine, but were you around when he did his runs or did you hear his 8 when it is running? The reason I'm asking this is: "Did his 8 sound stock? Or was there a steady growl or louder volume to it?"

...just one of the questions in my head right now :D