FDking

i dont know why ya think im a troll i love all rotarys im just askin a question cuz i see that the rx8 aint really keepin up with its competition other than it got better handeling when it comes to power the rx8 aint the best i was seeing if it can keep up wit an fd cuz the fd has the handiling and the power that any person needs

an s2000 is faster then the rx8 (the ones i seen) it has a 4 cylinder engine and rotarys r superior than a piston engine this rx8 mazda really made the car really underpowered and when it comes to mods the engine dont really respond well to them unlike the fd

Bootleg

if you took the time to search the forums you would find the answers to questions that have been answered at least 100 times before. you don't and that makes you a lazy waste of our time. that's why you're getting flamed.

kthxbye!

Trekk

Fast and the furious strikes again!

re-rx7

Fd is a better handling car outright with more power. Now the problem with reliabilty lies in the fact that 96% of people that own 7's just put a big turbo on w/ a standalone and call it a day which is good if you drive once a week.
For some thats not how it works though......my first mods on my car were all "keeping the engine cool oriented". Then i went with the other stuff.
Me and brian from BDC motorsports have been talking about this for sometime. The fd has every potential to be reliable. People just don't put forth the effort and time to do it. The 8 is somewhat reliable but not bulletproof. When you make less power w/o turbos it gets easier. Also, the addition of new technology to control the engine with and you get better and better. Most fd's and fc's that go tend to because sum dummy tinks he can boost to the moon on the stock ecu or piggyback(safc, emanage, etc". Rx-7 w/ a standalone are reliable to a point. The rotary cannot be tamed by anything less than a standalone. Think of it this way. The FI tech from back in the day is nothing compared to the tech today.
The most often overlooked component though is the COOLING of the rotary. Absolutely crucial to the longevity of the engine.

FDking

thanks^^^

xsnipersgox

hehe, i felt a big difference when i went to the RX7 meet, and see that 2 rx7's had to be towed unto the lot at the meet cause they broke down driving there XD...

hondakilla

i agree with ya

the fd without that twin sequintial turbo is crap(well not crap just not as better then everyone thinks it is against the renny) i mean think about it the fd with the TT has 255 hp and the 8 has 232 NA wow for a TT not really much difference

re-rx7

Read!! Yea and i have seen 8's that can't keep coils in.......So do i think they are unreliable?? No...they just need to be though into a lil more to see where the problem lies and how to fix it.
Compare the japanese 7's to american 7's and u will begin to see a big difference in the way they are tuned.

re-rx7

your 232 makes 177 at the wheels. playa!!haha The fd was underrated.........also that was about 10 yrs before urs came out. Most people like r magic took the renesis out and put in a 13b-rew.

rotarygod

Yes the 3rd gen is faster. It was always designed to be a pure no compromise 2 seat sports car. That's why it has no back seat, more power, and a few hundred pounds less weight than the RX-8. That hardly makes a fair comparison between the 2. May as well compare the RX-8 to a milk truck or vice versa. It's not the same thing.

No the 3rd gens reliability problems were not due to large single turbos that many put on them. Those cars are plain and simple unreliable on their own. Mazda built all of them this way. You could have a bone stock car that was immaculately maintained that would overheat on a hot day sitting in traffic. They could also go through turbos in 30,000 miles. Keep in mind I'm talking about bone stock. The coolant seals rarely last over 50K miles although the rare one does. That car is unreliable. Pure and simple.

All cars have the POTENTIAL to be reliable. In the same light, all cars have the POTENTIAL to be fast and powerful. Brian knows this very well. He also knows that just because someone hasn't done something yet doesn't mean it can't be done. Something is only impossible until someone does it!

I wouldn't say the RX-8 can't be made to compete with an RX-7 in the power department. I'd just say it hasn't done it yet. I know this is debated highly but it can already keep up with the FD in the handling department so it's really down to power. The Renesis has some things going against it which makes it harder to get big power out of. The rotors are thinner which means weaker. 13B rotors can't be used in them which doesn't solve the high compression issue. The apex seals are much shorter as well. The exhaust ports need work to flow better. None of these things is easy to solve but also not impossible to take care of. We just haven't seen it yet.

Yes the FD has a wider powerband. That's what turbos do. They make fun! For the Renesis engine to be as powerful as it is without turbos is a testament to how good it is, not how good the FD engine was. The 13B is an antiquated dinosaur that will slowly fade away as more people learn how to address the issues the Renesis needs solved. They aren't easy which is why it's taking so long.

If all you are basing your opinion of the car on is it's potential, I'd say it's got as much as you are willing to put into it and then room for more. If you are basing your opinion of it on what others have done with one in the past few years compared to what people have done to FD's in the past 15 years which even then was learned and applied from a decade of rotaries before it, then you'll probably be dissappointed.

FDking

thanks rotary god.

since the rx8 is still new it has alot of potential so it just needs more time to see if some can make more power out of it ok makes sense since the fd is old

HiTMaNN

LoL I love the 180 degree turn this thread took...

BDC

+1. It'll take some time but it will eventually evolve to that point. The plus part of it is there's years of R&D done on the 7's to speed this up for the Rx8.

B

hondakilla

maybe "PLAYA" but it took twin turbos to do that!!!

ЯX-8

I know more about R Magic than anyone on this site, and let me be the first to correct you on them taking out the rensis and replacing it with the 13B REW. It has never happened and won't ever happen..

RWagz

Aren't they quite small turbos? And they are sequential.

diabolical1

best post! hands down ... :D

diabolical1

on a much more serious note though, you're going about this thing the wrong way if you're comparing the Rx-7 and Rx-8 as equals. they are NOT! and they never will be. EVER!

i can't put it any better than Rotarygod, so suffice it to say, i agree with everything he said except the Rx-7 reliability issue. as much as i respect his opinions (and outright knowledge) it's still too big of a pill to swallow. don't get me wrong there is some truth in what he said. i remember when they were busting into flames and people were saying they're stock turbos failed in less than a year and the other horror stories, but i've also been hearing (and seeing) horror stories with the Rx-8, too. i think Mazda perhaps makes some things more complicated than they need to be and that their time-testing extrapolations are not as good as they could be. however, that's neither here nor there so before i get lost in digression, let me get back to your post.

high horsepower numbers are indeed just a matter of time. i mean, hell, there's a Renesis-based 20B in existence and it's only been 4+ years. if 500 HP is the sole criteria you're using to get a car, then you're missing out on a whole lot. compare the Rx-7 to the Z32 or the JZA80. do not compare it to the Rx-8.

SlideWayz

Driving an RX-8 with 500WHP would be like driving on ice unless you did some mega suspension mods.

That would be just silly for a street car.

FDKing ? Sofa King We Todd Did

Troll repellent! Where is the troll repellent!

re-rx7

I would still own a fd before i would a rx8. There is just more potential there with the p-port exhaust. HP per dollar the 7 will beat the 8. Plus the 8's resale value is horrible.

re-rx7

my bad it was jic.....it was on best motoring. 13b-rew making 500 whp.

TeamRX8

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The FD3 is faster in a straight line, the RX-8 has a much better chassis

otherwise HP is all about ca$h, it will make as much as you can afford to throw at it ...

mysql

heh. You're a glass is half empty kinda guy.

The low resale value means you can get into a rx8 cheaply, and it's a new vehicle. Not something that's 10 to 15 years old.

If you can DIY, for $4,000 you can boost up your $15,000 RX-8 and push 300-350 whp while not having to worry about half the parts on your car falling off.

Brand new greddy turbo kit for $2,000: http://www.rotary4life.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234

GT3071R turbo upgrade for $1800: http://mazdamaniac.com/upgrade/Mazda...20Upgrade.html

Then sell off the mitsu turbo for $500-800, and you have spare cash for the accessport, and a few bucks left over for an ignition upgrade.

chromatica

Hmm. I'm new to the RX-8's, but I'm willing to bet they're capable of at least 53hp and upwards.

mysql

also, who said the rx8 was too heavy?