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Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 02:38 PM

Aftermarket Cat
 
Ok, I've looked through various threads and read up on the RP and SR cats. Here's what I need: Something that is relatively inexpensive, maybe a little more highflow, will pass a visual smog check, and won't wake up all of PB when I drive through. Dealer wanted $1500 for a replacement so......

Looks like RP is a superior product to SR but is VERY noisy and would need a resonator to keep the noise down. Bear in mind my catback is the MS sport dual muffler, which is moderately loud but not as much as other catbacks.

Suggestions would be greatly appreciated

HiTMaNN 02-26-2008 02:56 PM

Why is your Cat not covered your dealer? What is your mileage and year of car?

Jedi54 02-26-2008 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2317686)
Why is your Cat not covered your dealer? What is your mileage and year of car?

that was going to be my first question.

If you're out of the warranty phase (even though I thinks some states warranty emissoins longer then standard warranty) you could always look into getting an OEM cat from Paul @ Mazmart or maybe check the F/S threads around here.

RP is not all that loud, I run it with my Racing Beat exhaust and it sounds great.

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2317686)
Why is your Cat not covered your dealer? What is your mileage and year of car?

They are claiming improper modifications. I know about federal law on warranties, but since I would have to pay for a factory replacement first and then sue, I am looking for alternatives....

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2317700)
that was going to be my first question.

If you're out of the warranty phase (even though I thinks some states warranty emissoins longer then standard warranty) you could always look into getting an OEM cat from Paul @ Mazmart or maybe check the F/S threads around here.

RP is not all that loud, I run it with my Racing Beat exhaust and it sounds great.

Am I likely to run into visual smog problems with RP?

Jedi54 02-26-2008 03:04 PM

what kind of "improper modification" did you make to the cat?

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2317713)
what kind of "improper modification" did you make to the cat?

None, they are bitching about the Revi and my Denso plugs. I know its absurd, but since they aren't budging without further legal action, I want to limit my out of pocket cost.

FLybOi drE 02-26-2008 03:26 PM

take it to another dealer...and isnt there law stated somewhere on another thread that dealers cant do this? cant search it right now cause im at work but im sure someone else can enlight u

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by FLybOi drE (Post 2317765)
take it to another dealer...and isnt there law stated somewhere on another thread that dealers cant do this? cant search it right now cause im at work but im sure someone else can enlight u

As stated earlier in this thread, I am well aware of the law. However since the order to not cover the costs is coming from the district manager, going to another dealer isn't going to solve the problem.

Since I don't care to spend $1500 and then sue for a refund, I want to cut my losses and get out of it with as little up front as possible and maybe get better performance going forward.

HiTMaNN 02-26-2008 03:43 PM

Get the RP Supercat ask Ray he had a good deal going for it not to long ago.

Jedi54 02-26-2008 04:04 PM

RP supercat should pass a smog check. It also should pass the visual since it is a CAT and not a midpipe

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 04:33 PM

Then its settled. RP supercat it is. Thanks for the pointers guys.

Davey's RX-8 02-26-2008 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2317786)
Get the RP Supercat ask Ray he had a good deal going for it not to long ago.

Is this Ray AT RP? Or a person on this forum?

HiTMaNN 02-26-2008 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8 (Post 2317923)
Is this Ray AT RP? Or a person on this forum?

Charles R. Hill is Ray he is a Vendor here

Ajax 02-27-2008 12:24 PM

so you guys like the supercat?
my cat is probably toast. it's sitting at 58,000 and when I get on the gas, man does it stink like eggs.
RP is right down the street from my office so I might just go pick one up..

Is the turboXS cat back system a better deal though?
The RP Supercat is 395.
The Turbo XS exhaust is 500, and it comes with their 3" cat and race pipe.

Trying to figure out what to do since I really do need a new cat....

Jedi54 02-27-2008 12:27 PM

ajax: got a CEL from the cat?
Can't you just have RP swap out the cat?

HiTMaNN 02-27-2008 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 2319318)
so you guys like the supercat?
my cat is probably toast. it's sitting at 58,000 and when I get on the gas, man does it stink like eggs.
RP is right down the street from my office so I might just go pick one up..

Is the turboXS cat back system a better deal though?
The RP Supercat is 395.
The Turbo XS exhaust is 500, and it comes with their 3" cat and race pipe.

Trying to figure out what to do since I really do need a new cat....

Isn't your CAT Covered under warranty Ajax?

Ajax 02-27-2008 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2319329)
ajax: got a CEL from the cat?
Can't you just have RP swap out the cat?

No CEL's recently. Last one I got was about 5000 miles ago and they said it was EVAP.
My warranty is gone as of 50k. the 60k warranty pretty much only covers engine failure or things that would relate to engine failure.

I could have RP swap out the cat, but i figured if we were going to be under the car, we might as well just replace the cat all together.

EDIT: Oh Jedi, if you mean take the stock pipe and weld in their cat, I don't know that they'll do that. I'd have to ask Chris.

HiTMaNN 02-27-2008 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 2319399)
No CEL's recently. Last one I got was about 5000 miles ago and they said it was EVAP.
My warranty is gone as of 50k. the 60k warranty pretty much only covers engine failure or things that would relate to engine failure.

I could have RP swap out the cat, but i figured if we were going to be under the car, we might as well just replace the cat all together.

EDIT: Oh Jedi, if you mean take the stock pipe and weld in their cat, I don't know that they'll do that. I'd have to ask Chris.

In Canada the CAT Warranty is 100k Km's WTF

Mobile 02-27-2008 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2319430)
In Canada the CAT Warranty is 100k Km's WTF

60K miles is 100K km

nycgps 02-27-2008 01:51 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I thought all CATS are aftermarket !

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1204141885

Spinning Sushi 02-27-2008 01:59 PM

OMG! A CAT BURRITO! I thought those only exist in Mexico at those really cheap Taco Shops?!

Ajax 02-27-2008 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Renesis SE3P (Post 2319478)
OMG! A CAT BURRITO! I thought those only exist in Mexico at those really cheap Taco Shops?!

dude.. it's called a purrito.

Napboy 02-27-2008 03:34 PM

I thought emissions related equipment in the states is covered under a federally mandated 80k miles.

HiTMaNN 02-27-2008 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Mobile (Post 2319447)
60K miles is 100K km

Like I was saying the way Ajax worded his post it seemed like he was in between 50- 60k......

Davey's RX-8 02-27-2008 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by Napboy (Post 2319678)
I thought emissions related equipment in the states is covered under a federally mandated 80k miles.

Again, the issue is the dealer is claiming improper modification, which of course is BS, but a story for a different thread.

HiTMaNN 02-27-2008 06:59 PM


Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8 (Post 2319986)
Again, the issue is the dealer is claiming improper modification, which of course is BS, but a story for a different thread.

Did you have a chance to PM Charles about his price of the RP Super Cat?

Mobile 02-27-2008 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2319679)
Like I was saying the way Ajax worded his post it seemed like he was in between 50- 60k......

It sounded like you were surprised his warrantee was up at 60K, - thought maybe you forgot the conversion to kilometers as you pointed out Canadians last to 100K.

HiTMaNN 02-27-2008 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Mobile (Post 2320073)
It sounded like you were surprised his warrantee was up at 60K, - thought maybe you forgot the conversion to kilometers as you pointed out Canadians last to 100K.

LoL No man I was just wondering why his cat isn't covered if it is under 60k. Ajax this is where you chime in and tell us more info about your car.

TeamRX8 02-27-2008 07:24 PM

Since you live in SD you need something CARB legal to be on the up and up ...

Ajax 02-28-2008 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by HiTMaNN (Post 2320099)
LoL No man I was just wondering why his cat isn't covered if it is under 60k. Ajax this is where you chime in and tell us more info about your car.

I am at 58.5k miles right now.
What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.

Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.

Jedi54 02-28-2008 01:16 PM

so what are you gonna do about the Cat?

Mobile 02-28-2008 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 2321346)
I am at 58.5k miles right now.
What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.

Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.

The part failed under warrentee and should be replaced under the terms of the warrentee. If you are having issues with your service department, call Mazda corporate.

Ajax 02-28-2008 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Mobile (Post 2321383)
The part failed under warrentee and should be replaced under the terms of the warrentee. If you are having issues with your service department, call Mazda corporate.

The warranty for the vehicle is 4 years 50k.
I don't believe the extended warranty covers this as it only covers defects relating to the engine itself.

Ajax 02-28-2008 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by Jedi54 (Post 2321365)
so what are you gonna do about the Cat?

Eh, I dunno. It's only really bad when it's cold and I romp on it.
I have the money right now so I'm not really complaining. I just cant figure out which one to buy. The turbo XS is a full header back exhaust for $100 more and I can hook up the race pipe after the once a year inspection I have to do.. of course it's ungodly loud and the tips are hideous, but i figured I could have them cut off and have something else put on in their place.
Seems like an awful lot of work just to have to replace a cat really or have a nice exhaust....
i dunno.. it's not going anywhere and the car still has bumper surgery that it needs from the idiot who hit me.

Mobile 02-28-2008 01:58 PM


Originally Posted by Ajax (Post 2321424)
The warranty for the vehicle is 4 years 50k.
I don't believe the extended warranty covers this as it only covers defects relating to the engine itself.

I thought the warrentee for emissions is 60K?

Jedi54 02-28-2008 02:46 PM

Ajax: that sounds like WAAAYYY too much work. See Ray's comment. :)

Ajax 02-28-2008 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill (Post 2321488)
Tha cat warranty is mandated by federal regs and it is FAR longer than a simple 60K. More like 100K/10 years, IIRC. Depends on the model year. The feds will make sure there is no argument on it UNLESS it can clearly be shown that an illegal aftermarket mod was the cause for the cat failure.

Well then, if that's the case, I should make them pay for it... they'll probably tell my my body kit caused the failure, LOL.

zoom44 02-28-2008 03:05 PM

E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:

1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:

1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.

zoom44 02-28-2008 03:07 PM


Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8 (Post 2317706)
They are claiming improper modifications. I know about federal law on warranties, but since I would have to pay for a factory replacement first and then sue, I am looking for alternatives....

no they cannot refuse to replace a Cat while it is under the Federal Emissions 8yr/80k umbrella

zoom44 02-28-2008 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8 (Post 2317734)
None, they are bitching about the Revi and my Denso plugs. .


without any emissions related cel connecting those to the cat failure there is no way they can refuse on those grounds.

i hear you that youd rather move on. ive had occasions where it just wasnt worth the time. i just wouldnt in this case.

zoom44 02-28-2008 03:18 PM


What Should I Do If My First Attempt to Obtain Warranty Coverage Is
Denied?

If your first attempt to receive emissions warranty coverage is
denied, you should do the following:

1) Ask for a detailed explanation, in writing as to why emissions
warranty coverage was denied; and

2) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) involved in the decision
to deny coverage, including anyone from the manufacturer's
regional or zone office; and

3) Ask for the name(s) of the person(s) with the manufacturer you
should contact to appeal the denial of coverage under the
emissions warranty.

4) Contact and, if necessary, write to the person mentioned above
requesting coverage and giving the basis for your request. Repeat
and continue the appeal process until you are satisfied or have
exhausted all means of appeal.
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/warr95fs.txt

HiTMaNN 02-28-2008 05:31 PM

What zoom said :D

Razz1 02-28-2008 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.

Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.

Your engine went out.

Davey's RX-8 02-29-2008 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by Razz1 (Post 2322391)
Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.

Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.

Your engine went out.

The engine went out as a result of the cat clogging, overheating, etc.......

Davey's RX-8 02-29-2008 03:27 PM

Issue Resolved!
 
So after a brief conversation with the general manager explaining things, particularly the effect a properly installed CAI and non-OEM plugs would have on a cat, and showing him the smog emissions report done at his shop with those items installed 2,000 miles before failure, they have agree to cover the cat!

Life is good once again.

Jedi54 02-29-2008 03:43 PM

good to hear it Davey!

HiTMaNN 02-29-2008 09:55 PM

See Davey and you were about to give out you Wimp ;)


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