Aftermarket Cat
 

Ok, I've looked through various threads and read up on the RP and SR cats. Here's what I need: Something that is relatively inexpensive, maybe a little more highflow, will pass a visual smog check, and won't wake up all of PB when I drive through. Dealer wanted $1500 for a replacement so......

Looks like RP is a superior product to SR but is VERY noisy and would need a resonator to keep the noise down. Bear in mind my catback is the MS sport dual muffler, which is moderately loud but not as much as other catbacks.

Suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Why is your Cat not covered your dealer? What is your mileage and year of car?

that was going to be my first question.

If you're out of the warranty phase (even though I thinks some states warranty emissoins longer then standard warranty) you could always look into getting an OEM cat from Paul @ Mazmart or maybe check the F/S threads around here.

RP is not all that loud, I run it with my Racing Beat exhaust and it sounds great.

They are claiming improper modifications. I know about federal law on warranties, but since I would have to pay for a factory replacement first and then sue, I am looking for alternatives....

Am I likely to run into visual smog problems with RP?

what kind of "improper modification" did you make to the cat?

None, they are bitching about the Revi and my Denso plugs. I know its absurd, but since they aren't budging without further legal action, I want to limit my out of pocket cost.

take it to another dealer...and isnt there law stated somewhere on another thread that dealers cant do this? cant search it right now cause im at work but im sure someone else can enlight u

As stated earlier in this thread, I am well aware of the law. However since the order to not cover the costs is coming from the district manager, going to another dealer isn't going to solve the problem.

Since I don't care to spend $1500 and then sue for a refund, I want to cut my losses and get out of it with as little up front as possible and maybe get better performance going forward.

Get the RP Supercat ask Ray he had a good deal going for it not to long ago.

RP supercat should pass a smog check. It also should pass the visual since it is a CAT and not a midpipe

Then its settled. RP supercat it is. Thanks for the pointers guys.

Is this Ray AT RP? Or a person on this forum?

Charles R. Hill is Ray he is a Vendor here

so you guys like the supercat?
my cat is probably toast. it's sitting at 58,000 and when I get on the gas, man does it stink like eggs.
RP is right down the street from my office so I might just go pick one up..

Is the turboXS cat back system a better deal though?
The RP Supercat is 395.
The Turbo XS exhaust is 500, and it comes with their 3" cat and race pipe.

Trying to figure out what to do since I really do need a new cat....

ajax: got a CEL from the cat?
Can't you just have RP swap out the cat?

Isn't your CAT Covered under warranty Ajax?

No CEL's recently. Last one I got was about 5000 miles ago and they said it was EVAP.
My warranty is gone as of 50k. the 60k warranty pretty much only covers engine failure or things that would relate to engine failure.

I could have RP swap out the cat, but i figured if we were going to be under the car, we might as well just replace the cat all together.

EDIT: Oh Jedi, if you mean take the stock pipe and weld in their cat, I don't know that they'll do that. I'd have to ask Chris.

In Canada the CAT Warranty is 100k Km's WTF

60K miles is 100K km

I thought all CATS are aftermarket !

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...1&d=1204141885

OMG! A CAT BURRITO! I thought those only exist in Mexico at those really cheap Taco Shops?!

dude.. it's called a purrito.

I thought emissions related equipment in the states is covered under a federally mandated 80k miles.

Like I was saying the way Ajax worded his post it seemed like he was in between 50- 60k......

Again, the issue is the dealer is claiming improper modification, which of course is BS, but a story for a different thread.

Did you have a chance to PM Charles about his price of the RP Super Cat?

It sounded like you were surprised his warrantee was up at 60K, - thought maybe you forgot the conversion to kilometers as you pointed out Canadians last to 100K.

LoL No man I was just wondering why his cat isn't covered if it is under 60k. Ajax this is where you chime in and tell us more info about your car.

Since you live in SD you need something CARB legal to be on the up and up ...

I am at 58.5k miles right now.
What I'm claiming is that the dealer isn't going to cover the catalytic converter under the 60k warranty. What I was told last time I went to the dealer with a code was that unless it relates to engine failure, they're not going to replace it.
The techs didn't even pull my code. My service manager did it because otherwise they'd have to charge me for labor.

Now, this might be incorrect and maybe I should check another dealership, but that's what I was told.

so what are you gonna do about the Cat?

The part failed under warrentee and should be replaced under the terms of the warrentee. If you are having issues with your service department, call Mazda corporate.

The warranty for the vehicle is 4 years 50k.
I don't believe the extended warranty covers this as it only covers defects relating to the engine itself.

Eh, I dunno. It's only really bad when it's cold and I romp on it.
I have the money right now so I'm not really complaining. I just cant figure out which one to buy. The turbo XS is a full header back exhaust for $100 more and I can hook up the race pipe after the once a year inspection I have to do.. of course it's ungodly loud and the tips are hideous, but i figured I could have them cut off and have something else put on in their place.
Seems like an awful lot of work just to have to replace a cat really or have a nice exhaust....
i dunno.. it's not going anywhere and the car still has bumper surgery that it needs from the idiot who hit me.

I thought the warrentee for emissions is 60K?

Ajax: that sounds like WAAAYYY too much work. See Ray's comment. :)

Well then, if that's the case, I should make them pay for it... they'll probably tell my my body kit caused the failure, LOL.

E.P.A. guidelines state that replacement converters may be installed only in the following situations:

1. The vehicle is missing a converter
2. A state or local inspection program has determined that the existing converter needs replacement
3. Vehicles manufactured prior to 1996 must have more than 50,000 miles, and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented
4. In cases of OBD Il-equipped vehicles (1996 and later), the O.E. manufacturer's 8-year/80,000-mile warranty must have expired and a legitimate need for replacement must be established and documented.
Please note that Federal law prohibits removal or replacement of a properly functioning O.E. converter.

When replacement of the converter is appropriate (as outlined above), the E.P.A. further requires that:

1. It be installed in the same location as the original
2. It be the same type as the original (i.e., two-way, three-way, three-way plus air/three-way plus oxidation)
3. It be the proper model for the vehicle application as determined and specified by the manufacturer
4. It be properly connected to any existing air injection components on the vehicle
5. It be installed with any other required converter for a particular application
6. It be accompanied by a warranty information card to be completed by the installer.

no they cannot refuse to replace a Cat while it is under the Federal Emissions 8yr/80k umbrella

without any emissions related cel connecting those to the cat failure there is no way they can refuse on those grounds.

i hear you that youd rather move on. ive had occasions where it just wasnt worth the time. i just wouldnt in this case.

What zoom said :D

Originally Posted by Davey's RX-8
The cost of the related repairs is $3,500 which is the cat, O2 sensors, burnt carpeting, and wiring harness. I've filed a fire claim with Geico, and if I'm limited to my $500 deductible in out of pocket I'll deal with it. On the other hand this might be a good opportunity to replace the clutch/flywheel while they're reaplcing my engine. Yeah go figure, they'll cover the engine but not the cat.

Hell you didn't tell us the whole story.

Your engine went out.

The engine went out as a result of the cat clogging, overheating, etc.......

Issue Resolved!
 

So after a brief conversation with the general manager explaining things, particularly the effect a properly installed CAI and non-OEM plugs would have on a cat, and showing him the smog emissions report done at his shop with those items installed 2,000 miles before failure, they have agree to cover the cat!

Life is good once again.

good to hear it Davey!

See Davey and you were about to give out you Wimp ;)