DrDiaboloco

I fly cargo around China (Macau, Taipei, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Shenzen) sometimes... I got out of the passenger flying (in the US) after five years, but don't think for a moment that we take more risks just because we fly pallets of manufactured goods instead of people.

lourx8

Yeah since all four were driving at the same time

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

Thats true... I made a mistake once, I made cherry koolade one day and told my buddy it was strawberry. I said "my bad"..... Thats a mistake..... If i drive like an idiot* and kill three of my friends, what am I?



* Idiot= [Middle English, ignorant person, from Old French idiote, from Latin idiōta, from Greek idiōtēs, private person, layman, from idios, own, private.]

noun
1. A foolish or stupid person.
2. A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

Rumboo

Yeah, cos there's still the two of you on board! Not to mention all those people down below..

Oops, mustn't hijack this thread.. hijacking is baaaaad.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

VALPAC im not being insensitive, I will pray 4 the family's tonight, but i shed no tears or thoughts 4 the driver. I feel bad 4 the 3 others in the car B/C i dont know if they wanted him to stop or to go faster so i have to feel for them. But what I do know is that the boy or girl behind the wheel was an..................................IDIOT!!!!!!!!! !

Rumboo

In a sense, they were. You don't mean to say that as a passenger in a car, you don't have any influence on the actions of the driver? The tragedy of it isn't because the driver had a lapse-of-skill mistake. The tragedy of it is that he took inordinate risks in the first place, and that reduced his margin for error. I would have liked to think that the passengers tried to stop him, but do you honestly think that was the case?

Of course, it goes without saying that the driver bears the main responsibility, and that the premature and unnecessary end of ANY life is heart-wrenching.. please don't think in any way that any of the kids should have died.

RedSheDevil

Having compassion and sympathy for those dead kids is in no way condoning the behavior. We've all done really really stupid things and have been lucky enough to survive them.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

Ur right Rumboo, But at the end of the day, we don't know what happend with the 3 that were killed. WE CAN ONLY JUDGE THE DRIVER. Tonight i will open my favorite 40 and spill some for my rx-8 homies that died.

P.S bet you hate me now PALVAC haha

ucfracerx8

http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/415158.html

Gives more info, the oldest was 18. It's a shame that something like this even happened. I feel sorry for the friends and family of the victims.

Rumboo

Any kids (or kids at heart) reading this, please PLEASE believe me when i say:

Your skillz are not as phat as you think! All human skill has a limit and a breaking point, and you never know exactly where that is! YOU ARE NOT INVINCIBLE!

*gets off high horse*

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

right on dude

Michael

I'd agree with that statement if it wasn't a catch-all. I'd go as far to say that the vast majority of the demographic that you're generalizing (kids, perhaps younger than yourself) knows that they indeed are not invincible, and have both an appreciation for life and an appreciation for their limits, specifically driving ability.

Good day sir.
-Michael

saturn

Yeah, all I know is that I'm a generally responsible kid (24) and I probably should have died 20 times before I was the age of 6. I jumped off the house twice. Kids are stupid and take risks. It's really unfortunate. But anyone who says that they never got themselves into a stupid situation where they could have died is probably lying or atypical at best.

There are so many parents that think they've done a bang up job parenting their kids. Then something tragic happens and they realize that their kids aren't perfect. And all the looker-ins make their asinine comments about how the parents weren't doing their jobs as parents.

I'm not condoning this kid's behavior at all. But for those people who have no compassion for those involved are the people I'd like to see removed from the gene pool. I just hope nothing bad ever happens to you or anyone you care about. Think of what all the looker-ins might say.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

I need to get this off my chest. Some times when I see a civic(just an ex) with a high school student in it swurving in and out of traffic nearly hitting all the mini vans with soccer moms packed with little kids in them. I think to my self, "man I wish that civic would just crash into a tree and blow up"

P.S sorry if i hurt any tree huggers out their. I have nothing but love for trees. trust me.

Rumboo

When I was your age, I thought the same way about myself as you do....10 yrs on, I realise I actually wasn't as safe as I thought I was. I expect 10 yrs from now, i would again have gained a better understanding of where i am today. Of course, you're probably more mature at 19 than i was... still, that's just you. Insurance companies don't put extra loading on young drivers for nothing.

In any case, i'm terribly upset that i actually began a post with "When i was your age..."

olddragger

iTrader: (3)

unbelieveable. I am reading this and cant believe what some people have said. 4 young lives were lost. for Gods sake.
1st of all --does it matter how they died? To me--no it doesn't. I am so sorry for this loss. It is so tragic.
People are so quick to judge. How do we know what happened--we dont have a clue. People speaking here can only assume.
Maybe the driver had a seizure and his foot stayed on the throttle? Yes --possible. Maybe the throttle on the car stuck---yes possible-it's a machine--many things can go wrong. Who the hell knows what happened. All we know is 4 young boys are dead --- and for MM to say what he did--yea I agree with TA. That type on insensitivity reminds me of my sniper days in Nam. Took a lot of therapy to come back. MM you need help dude and anyone else that says "good ridance". Maybe one day it may be your burned up kid lying in that ditch.
To those of you that believe the lost of 4 young lives is a good thing---damn you all.
olddragger

tekk's 8

Be careful what you wish for bro.

tiggerlee

Damn I can't keep up with you guys. Someone needs to merge these two threads.

tekk's 8

I TOTALLY AGREE. Everyone here is just speculating. I doubt anyone on this forum was there to actually see what happened. And to all here who have children, the words you speak now may not slide out of your mouth so easily if your child ever turns up in that situation.

STREET RACING IS BAD MK

darn your like the tenth person who has damned me this week. Mrs. olddragger I disagree but do not get me wrong, I respect you(vet) but lets get real here. fast car+18+senior year+3 other friends in car+idiot=ball of fire.

me= as*#hole (can we curse in this forum?)

valpac

iTrader: (2)

I'm so glad that erroneous behavior has been erradicated in my lifetime. It appears many here cannot relate to erring whether it be conscious or otherwise. I feel so much safer knowing none of you posters ever break the law or speed in your RX-8's.

I am also overwhelmed by the numbers of infallible humans that post on this forum. This thread is rife with so many righteous judgements that I am in awe of you all. I should just sit back, listen and learn from all you pontificators. God bless you all and God bless those that perished in that horrible accident.

maggotcorpse666

I feel bad those kids lost their lives, but people lose their lives in car accidents everyday. Why make a big deal about this one? Maybe some other kids will learn something from this loss of life.

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

First, go back and re-read my post and understand it before you put words in my mouth. I don't mind being insulted (I crave it, in fact - it reveals your weakness), but you could at least be consistent, logical or concise about it.

All kids (and adults) take risks. Some are more calculated than others.
Some end tragically, some do not. Those that don't, often are educational.
Those of you (us - me included) that jumped off roofs, set fires, experimented with drugs, played with firearms, etc and survived did so for one reason or another. Sometimes it was because we quit early knowing our parents would disapprove. Often it was because our parents taught us how to do it right.
For some, it was just dumb luck.
Our survival is no more significant than these kids demise.
Death is not tragic - it is the inevitable consequence of life.
I certanly feel for those associated with the deceased - especially those directly related to them - but I would imagine that those kind of parents will be looking for laws and ammendments to protect or compensate them rather than accept the inevitable consequence that befell them because of their inadequacy.
The dead kids only suffered briefly for their mistake - their parents will suffer the rest of their lives. Rightly so for one reason or another depending on your personal take on "sympathy".

Though I do not have kids of my own, I love those of my friends and relatives as if they were my own.
We don't have kids because we decided not to produce any - we would not have wanted them to grow up in this society as it is and the kids we care for around us need us more than any genetic facsimile of myself and my wife would.
Fact is, very few parents enter into that responsibility for the right reasons and are often ill equipped for the task. This reality cuts cleanly across all races, economic strata and generations.

Those kids checked out early because they threw the dice and hit 7. Sometime, somewhere, some other kids will hit the point on the same roll. The appetency to walk away from the table while you are up is not to be misconstrued as weakness.
In this day, kids don't think they are indestructable - they are taught they are so by their own parents. Furthermore, they are assured that reward awaits them, even if they err and fail.
Rolling a 7 to them just means they didn't put enough behind their bet on the pass line.

icyur2

Well put MM. Totally agree with "those" parent part...

SilverEIGHT

Ohhhh, my heart hurts for the kids as well as the families and friends. I have skimmed through this thread and find it hard to accept some of the responses. I am a parent that has raised 2 boys, one of which is still just 20 and survived the early driving years, this is the kind of accident that causes nightmares and torn up lives.

You guys that think these kids got what they deserved are so wrong. I would agree that giving a kid a fast car is inviting trouble. My kids drove a Plymouth Reliant, an early model Altima and a toyota pickup and no matter what they wanted they didn't get anything else. Kids can die in the Reliant just as easy as the RX-8. My youngest totaled 3 cars before he was 18 and that was with taking his license away for 6 months. He could have been (according to some of you) needed to be removed from the gene pool! But he survived because we never let up on him. So many nights I worried myself sick waiting for him to come home. Those were the toughest 2 years of my life, watching him get past that stage. But he did and now at 20 is putting himself through a private college because he is working his *** off and going to college. He is a taxpaying contributor to our society and thank God, he made it.

He could have so easily have died in any of his accidents but he didn't. The parents of these 4 children will never have the chance to teach their kids again. They will never be able to direct them on how to survive the tough times or how to correct their mistakes. And I assure you that every single person that reads this post has had a bad, and probably stupid, experience that you could have died from but obviously you are lucky enough to be reading this.

Please give these kids, even the driver, a break and pray for them and their devastated families. I may be wrong but I suspect that you guys that are so down on these kids have probably never raised your own.

So sad! I shall call my son tonight just to talk and listen to his voice and be thankful I stuck with him all the way through his early years.