xexok

I did a bit of searching in the forum and couldnt find an answer to this question

I went to autozone today and asked about using a sealant instead of a wax, they looked like me like I was dumb and said theres no such thing as a sealant as far as they know, so I turned around and got out of there.

Where can I go to buy some paint sealant that would actually know that it exists, I dont wanna buy it online. Also any specific type you could suggest, if I had a name I might have better luck.

After some reading around about the best wax to use many people are suggesting a sealant for a white car instead of wax, I just cant find it.

9krpmrx8

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http://www.autopia.org/

xexok

So is "paint sealant" the correct name of the stuff I should be asking for? I see people refer to it as that so I figured it was, but after today I'm not so sure.

ZOOM-I-DO

As 9k said Autopia.com or Autogeek.net is a great site for polishing knowledge. However if you don't want to buy online then find a auto-body detailer or auto-body paint wholesaler and talk to them. I have a Sunlight Silver '05 and have been using wax. I am going to start using a sealant in the spring.

"For dark colors a carnuba based wax gives on amazing glow but for light colored cars I suggest a sealant like Zaino Z2 or Werkstatt." quote from Wes in this thread, check it out.
https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-show-shine-26/wes_r-x-gt-r-120-pics-181202/

nuke0907

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theres some stuff that comes in a square can called Liquid Glass you can use. i like to clay bar my car first, then put a layer of liquid glass, then apply wax over that. your paint will be silky smooth.

xexok

After some reading at the site linked above I am thinking blackfire wet diamond sealant/wax is the best thing going for white paint, or pretty much any paint I guess. I'm gonna give that a shot if I can find it anywhere local.

Never clay bared a car, wanted to but never had a car worth the time and effort. So I guess its about time to give it a try.

Oh and sorry for posting this in this forum, seemed like the correct place "exterior appearance" but I guess show & shine may have been a better spot.

cjkim

blackfire is an AWESOME sealant. one of the popular sealants among detailers right now.
not sure you'd find it local, unless there are some detailing supply shops around.

SayNoToPistons

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http://www.concordautospa.com/page12.html


Most of the paint protection that's available off the counter are sealants, which include the typical products like Meguiar's NXT and Mother's Reflections. If you want waxes such as carnauba wax, Meguiar's #26 is usually available off the coutner.

altspace

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I once used Liquid Glass all the time. Excellent product. Now I do a 2 stage process of Poor Boys EX-P and then 2-3 coats of Natty's Paste Wax Red.

The reason you want both is that the sealant adds extra longevity and protection in combination with the wax which adds depth.

altspace

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I make sure my car has good protection before the winter months. Just too damn cold to even think about waxing and such.

Here's after 4 months.

SayNoToPistons

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I layer EX-P x 2 and then top with Natty's too! The flakes are slightly muted with the combo but love the depth.

TrochoidMagic

just got a bottle of smart sealant...

what are its main functions, and what steps come first?

wax, then sealant after? or is it mandatory for sealant to be applied first, then waxed after?

sorry if its a stupid question.

altspace

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Like I said above. Sealant then wax.

SayNoToPistons, you really think it mutes the flake? Everyone I know thinks it pops more. Of course you need to be in direct sunlight. The depth of wax is what gives it that effect. I think of it as a magnifying glass effect. More depth = greater reflection = brighter paint flake.

Huey52

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Think of it as cosmetics (not that I know from personal experience). You seal the 'pores' of the paint to provide a consistent base upon which to wax.

btw: Altspace is careful not to drive on sand/salted roads in Winter. That sure aids his waxing longevity.

SayNoToPistons

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IMO, it's the Natty's that mutes the flake because of the carnauba wax. Carnauba gives great depth but it also hides the flakes a bit. It also seems to darken the color a bit, but that probably has to do with the depth. I tried Klasse AIO and SG combo also and the flakes pop more but there's less depth to the paint.

altspace

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Hey now! There's no avoiding that. Truth be told, I do wash my car in the garage when I feel there's too much salt/sand left on her.

TrochoidMagic

so from what u guys say from above, you seal, then wax... but somehow it "mutes" the metallic flakes?

i just read the bottle of the smart sealant, and it says its great to use AFTER wax. but get this. it also says that it contains brazilian ivory carnauba wax... the color is similar, but lighter yellow to meguiars liquid bottle of wax.
+ it adds that doing so prolongs the protection effect against rain, UV, blah blah...and enhanced shine and so forth.

so i'm not sure what to believe now. and since it has certain rain repellant polymers, it suppose to "bond" to paint/clearcoat. but then why would they want you to apply AFTER wax?

it makes sense to apply sealant first as u guys do, so it seals the paint with some polymer bonding agent...but then again, this stuff IS carnauba wax which seems like doing the job twice!

now i just feel like using only the sealant instead of meguiars... but tell me there is gonna be some rewarding shine from doing sealant then meguiars carnauba afterwards.

cjkim

i haven't personally tried any, but from what I've heard, the whole smartWax line is just rebranded chemical guys stuff... just more expensive.

I have tried chemical guys sealants (m-gloss and can't remember the other one's name) and both are very good products.

seal then wax.
depending on how picky you are, you may or may not even notice layering carnuba over.
it won't be any more "shiny", but you will get more depth.

TrochoidMagic

^^thanx!

well...didn't know about the product history, but didn't wanna pay restocking fee so i exchanged for this stuff...

but either way, i'll go ahead and ignore the labeled instructions in the rear and seal, then wax and see how that goes.

=)

altspace

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..."contains brazilian ivory carnauba wax", but it's not a true form of carnauba wax since it's blended in with the liquid polymer. Paste form is your best bet.

I love this stuff! http://www.poorboysworld.com/natty-blue.htm

Also, I recommend though not always necessary that you use all of the same products from one source as many of these products are engineered to work together. Thus when used separately you may not get the proper results.

Here she is after a nice little wash up in the garage. Was 32 degrees outside.

Huey52

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No wash today... "it's frickin' freezin' (and windy) Mr. Bigglesworth."

jmc23200

-6 with wind chill Huey. The water would freeze as you washed it haha

Huey52

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Water doesn't care about wind chill (only we hu-mons), but it sure is cold enough to quickly freeze, even in Josh's garage!!!

altspace

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Nope, I have a propane heater in my garage. Giggity! But I still would not do it when it's this cold out. Brrrrrr.

jmc23200

Altspace, I got a 30 rack and pizza for you to clean my car