StrokerAce

No dought here. Just argueing with someone who is wrong.

I think the PC would like at the window stickers and the sales brocures as sufficent proof of the legality of the spare and that your protest is invalid. I just might write a letter to Mazda and get it clarified (or just get a copy of the PDI sheet from the dealer) to be sure and hold trump. The FSM is not and never has been a single source for information. Besides since you know that you are wrong your protest would not be well founded and might be seen as unsportsmanlike and what is the other word vexacous? hmmmm

ULLLOSE

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A competitor not having the FSM for their car is grounds for a DSQ, so that alone shows how much weight is put on the manual.

You have not shown me I am wrong. I have two factory manuals, one that does not show the spare, and another that says the spare is not applicable to the model. You have a sales brochure and a "car in stock" with the part on it. I am happy to agree to disagree and let a PC sort it out.

If you think this would be a case of an unsportsmanlike protest I would say you have never been on a PC.

StrokerAce

Just did a search of "shop manual" and "manual" in the rulebook. No reference whatever to the requirement of a shop manual. You're wrong again Otto.

ULLLOSE

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Are you serious, you just searched, you did not already know the rules before going off on your tangent? You should just stop before you further embarrass yourself. Try section 3.8, then 8.3.1, and sec 13 also reinforces the two previous sections. You can find the rest on your own, I am done trying to educate you.

StrokerAce

No where in the rules doe it say you are DSQ if you don't have a shop manual. I am required to have a rulebook (which I read every year).

3.8 REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION
The entrant has the burden of proving that the vehicle conforms to
these Rules by the required documentation for the category/class,
as noted below. The required documentation should be considered
as an extension of these Rules.
A. Stock, Street Touring, Street Prepared, Street Modified:
The official manufacturer’s service documentation for the make,
model, and year of the vehicle as entered, if ever available to the
consumer from the manufacturer. Additional official
manufacturer’s service documentation for other years and/or
models may also be required to cover equipment and/or specifications
authorized by update/backdate allowances. Other official
manufacturer’s documentation, such as the owner’s manual, shop
manual, parts catalogs, technical bulletins, sales and marketing
literature, or Monroney window sticker may be provided as
supporting information. All manufacturer’s documentation must
be for non-competition purposes.

Doesn't say you will be disqualified if you don't have a FSM anymore than it says you will be disqualifed if you don't have sales and marketing literature. It's however a convenient set of documents.

8.3.1 Burden of Proof
The entrant of a protested vehicle has the burden of proving that
the vehicle conforms to these rules by the required documentation
according to the class of the vehicle, and must present the required
documentation to the PC at the time that the protest is heard, or else
be disqualified.
If the required documentation does not include sufficient information
on a protested item or specification, the burden shifts to the
protestor to prove the equipment or specification illegal.

As soon as I show a window sticker, online inventory, 800# and vin number call to mazda, sales brocures, all confiming that the spare tire is a legitimate non-dealer installed the protest would be denied.

I assume you mean this section
13.1 AUTHORIZED MODIFICATIONS
If a modification is not specifically authorized in this or previous
sections of these Rules it is not allowed. It is not permitted to use
illegal parts even if they have been set to stock specifications.

Since the spare tire is a factory orderable option that is not solely dealer installed you are still wrong Otto.

The most you would suceed at would be maybe annoying me, and not being able to go get your jacket because even if the PC ruled against me I would appeal it and the results would be in limbo until Mazda took their own sweet time providing documentation. I know about this. People have had to wait as much as 9 months for a appeal to go through waiting on a mfgr. ('77)

Do you have a corvette or used to drive one? You sound like your mr T jewelery is cutting off your oxygen supply Otto.

ULLLOSE

iTrader: (1)

I am done with you and this, we can do this in Topeka if you feel the need to push it. Its all good, if what you have chosen to read makes you feel like you are covered, I have documentation to the contrary. See you in Sept... Although I wont hold my breath that you will be there.

btw a protest of you will have no effect on the Championship, it would only effect the people behind you (this has also been done before), and since this will all be going on well outside of the trophies it should not disrupt the event at all.

elysium19

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So much for good break-in procedures....

StrokerAce

You could also swing by and checkout this one. Tustin Mazda is not far from you. But you already know everything Otto.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/vlSe...rue&engine=ALL

docgatorx8er

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WOW, You guys really know how to show a newbie a good time!!! I have so much to look forward to......LOL

Didn't mean to start a war.

Locally, they told me they don't care "cause I can't drive worth a **** anyway.............LOL

khronus79

iTrader: (1)

So................ can we get that sticky on BS mods??????????

mwood

That about sums it up...no one cares until you start winning...and, the fact is, no one at a level where they would likely be protested is going to want the spare tire kit in the car, anyways, I would guess...looks like insignificant bracing and just added weight.

TeamRX8

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on the RX-8 it's Mazda Factory Option Sales Code "STR" on all model years, including the 2009 ...

http://media.ford.com/products/press...58&make_id=227

docgatorx8er

iTrader: (10)

So what about fender strakes?

docgatorx8er

iTrader: (10)

We'd probably have to agree to what IS legal first.

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

we already have a sticky, here it is

link

docgatorx8er

iTrader: (10)

That link doesn't work, just goes to search page

BoosTED

iTrader: (2)

If a person has the spare tire bar mounted for BS they could be required to have the tire in the trunk as well.

It would give more weight over the rear tires as well.

chiketkd

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Let's just say that Sipe has a 'dry' sense of humor...

fastmike

It all depends on how the spare tire is mounted.
FM

mwood

Yeah...if you have the ultra rare "Continental kit", in particular...

edj

since apparently none of you have ever seen the spare tire mounting kit let me give you a clue.

it is very thin wall metal, has a U-bend, attaches to the rear strut bracket and weighs
less than 2 pounds. the thin wall and U-bend guarantees that there will not be any
chassis stiffening to be had with it installed. ie, not a competitive advantage.

can we go beat some other dead horse?

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

the rules allow the removal of the spare tire, jack, and tools

this would also include the inflator tire repair kit

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

I'll let you deliver the wet one ....

SolarYellow510

Wow, glad I finally opened this thread.

Hi Flying 8

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When I ordered my 2004 in 2003, I ordered the rear spoiler and the front air dam and they were installed at the port. Has this changed over the years? I did not order the side aero flares. I can't believe that this would be illegal unless it changed after the original 2004's which were installed at the port.