Silverarrow

Hey Guys! Here are some pictures from the test fit. The brake kit looks GREAT and the caliper is HUGE! It is a 4 piston fixed caliper with a 13" two-piece rotor. The pattern on the rotor isn't final, it is only to check for fitment. Let me know what you think. The picture behind the wheel is just to give you an idea of what it would look like. This kit will not fit behind the stock wheel without a spacer, but if you are really out at the track pushing it this probably won't be a problem if you have upgraded your wheels. They should have a template out pretty quick according to Chris and once they do, I'll make sure to post it up! What do you guys think?


Notice the Two Piece Rotor!


Check out how beefy that caliper is!


Just to give you an idea of how it looks behind a wheel (will need spacer for stock wheel).

slavearm

Man that kit looks suweet!

Silverarrow

Hey, if you like it don't forget to call them and let them know! They need to know that there is a demand for this kit. Call Chris at 714-755-6688

slavearm

<--- Endless 6 pot kit on slow boat from Japan. Destination = Slavearm's 8. Otherwise I would definately be heading down there. They are close to my house, and I like the caliper look.

lazi

o wow endless? how much is that costing you jeez ahah

takahashi

SA,

It is sweet.

CP6600, mate?

Razz1

I don't care if the AP brakes work good on a Z or some other car..
It's all about function. The RX-8 is a different care with the best brakes out there.

Even Tripoint racing has tried several brake manufactures. None of them can out perform the stock brakes.

Only Stop Tech can reduce brake fade, not brake faster.

Don't believe me? Ask them yourself.

I want to reliable data feed back before I'd go with AP.

I'm interested in RB. Racing Brake.

Edit: umm... they may just fit a 17" wheel. They are checking on it now.

Looks like this is on my list to scrutinze farther. Good news is.......

They are local.

Siver arrow give me a call or PM me sometime so we can carve up some roads.

takahashi

Razz1,

Before jumping into conclusion (I assume you will analyse the result critically ), I think you should be aware that aftermarket caliper from brake manufacturer usually have their own pads and rotors and all these are variables have to be accounted for.

I do have a friend having RX-8 in the same compound as me (Project Mu HC+). And I have the Project Mu rotor to go with it. I think AP racing gives a marginal edge. Certainly brake fade is minimal on the track for both and I ensuring myself I will never boil the brake fluid or pads unless I go 24 hour racing.

Yes I think it is a minor edge and do very little on the street, on the track it is another matter and brake not fading after 10 or so laps will help down the future

Yes - I totally agree with local products and yes I would go for something that able to give you choices of pad material and rotors.. I still hard to imagine if I had to stick with Project Mu if I have purchased a Project Mu caliper, you see. Now at least I have a choice when newer and better products comes up.

Apparently the best brake pad company in Japan is Seidoya. They don't advertise outside Japan, but most tuner uses them on the track, so does AP racing/Endless caliper and MoTeC computers

Razz1

Yep, remplacement rotors and pads are #1 on my list.

I don't want to be stuck with orginal after market brake mfgr. pads and rotors for the rest of my life.

Silverarrow

Hey Taka!

Yes it is a CP6600 caliper. Got any ideas for pads? They seem to be pushing this new Mintex Extreme pad over there...sounds interesting - it is supposed to be good from 0-1100 degrees! The template for fitment is supposed to be out in the next few days and they are supposed to get it to me as soon as it is available.

SA

takahashi

Too many to choose from - you should tailor to what you use it mainly, and how complicated you want it to be - one pad for street and one for track is ok, but you need machine them frequently.

Just check some conversion 1100F is about 600 degree C. It is just norm for non Japanese pads.

If I have my way I will get the Seidoya from Japan, with the AP rotors. Seidoya is twice as expensive as Project Mu and Endless pads and offer good pad life and temp (up to 900) with rotor preservation, but in the expense of noise and dust.

Project Mu HC+ is similar but cheaper, 0-800C. They now have the 900i, that is 0 - 900 C and they are carbon ceremics for track days with S tyres. But for me, doing only 8 laps per session at a time, it is ok to use HC+.

Ferodo is also worth looking the 2500 is good for street. 3000 is more track only, which is not ideal for all in one pad.

Endless is the same but I think the Type R pad now is ok for lighter cars like ours in sport radials.

Silverarrow

Taka,

My mistake, it is actually 1400F for this pad and it is apparently considered a "street pad". Supposed to be no fading and very linear, according to Chris no testers have faded them yet (not for lack of trying either)! Amazing. But I digress. Seidoya sounds interesting though. Do they have a website?

mazdaexe

Hey SA, I talked to Chris also, he said the kit will most likely come w/ the Ferodo 2500?

slavearm

Endless CC-R is from 100-800 or so I believe if you are looking for more pads. I think that is their newest compound.

Silverarrow

Mazdaexe,

That is also what he told me, but since we were discussing other pads, I thought I would mention the new pads he mentioned to me. Sounds like the king of all street pads.

takahashi

Yes then it sounds more interesting

制動屋 - Seidoya - http://www.seido-ya.com/
No CC-R has been around for a while. No they don't work every well on the road, they are more of a track compound. Anything that start from anywhere other than 0 degree will have problem in your winter. Excessive noise and wear may result when you use this on the road. And even my HC+ needs to warm up before it is fully functional
In Australia, the AP racing distributor carries Ferrado pads, saying that it is a package from the UK.

Silverarrow

WOW! That was fast! Here is the brake fitment profile from Chris. They JUST released it apparently. Now you can see if these will work with your wheels or in my case, with the wheels you are looking at getting.

Per the instructions, print it out and make sure the square is 1" x 1" so that the scale is correct. I think a few wheel vendors are going to be getting a call from me...time for an upgrade anyways.

Taka, what size are those Enkeis on your car? Width/Offset etc.?

SA

takahashi

Is it 4600 or 6600??

My Enkei is 18 x 8" +40. My Wedsports is 18 x 8.5 +32. Of course, the WedSports have tonnes of clearance and even the Enkei has 3-4 mm clearance.

Silverarrow

The kit has CP6600 calipers and a two piece 330x30mm rotors. I see the source of confusion, I believe the "4600" from that profile title is the kit number.

Nice, WedSports make some nice looking wheels! I'll have to add them to the list.

-SA

takahashi

That will confuse the little me .

Oh I just order my spare set of Project Mu HC+ for the caliper. They are AUD$265 from a Melbourne person. ^_^"

Do the AP one has a slotted rotor? I chose Project Mu partly because it is cheaper to get there cf to AP racing, but also a well known Japan tuner, RE Amemiya and Revolution are using them. RE Amemiya sells CP5200, but I think Revolution or one other seller sells CP6600. But the kit in their website looks like CP5200. They are the same size and weight btw, but just the fact that CP5200 can have anything selling on earth, that is why.

But I can find 3-4 Jap pads with 6600 and lots of Euro pads.

Let us know what the Mintex are like!

hogcar

I see no reason to switch to different caliper for the RX8. Unless you are producing a substantial amount of horsepower it is not needed. If you like the looks great; that could be reason enough for some.

Just replace the brake fluid with a quality product, personally I use Ford heavy duty and bleed it a little more often plus it is inexpensive.

Replace the stock pads with a suitable one based on your needs. I use Hawk HT-14 on the front and Blues on the rear. They are excellent track pads and provide fade free stops with repeated HARD use.

Put on brake ducts to provide clean fresh air.

IMHO spend your money on some track time concentrating on learning car control it will make you a better and potentially a safer driver.

I have tracked C5 Corvettes, STi's, SCCA GT2 RX7, and others. The RX8 beats them all in the braking department

Bottom line the RX8 has EXCELLENT brakes it would be very difficult to improve them in any except the most extreme situations.

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

they are good but can be made better

the RB BBK drops 24 lbs off the front suspension, I can't see why anyone is fixating on a stalled AP kit when a great kit from RB is available ...

takahashi

Yeah I understand your question.

But I never heard of Racing Brake, and it is so hard to get it here.

I have tried AP racing (the exact combo) on our local track, and have seen all other Japanese tuner using the same/similar model - hence my choice.

I wonder how many pad manufacturer make pads for Racing Brakes, what typical pad do they use - just the Racing Brake ones?

TeamRX8

iTrader: (25)

yes, I understand in your case Taka, I was referring to the members here in the US

Racing Brake uses and recommends only Hawk brake pad compounds, it's a standard backer pad number that you can get in other compounds if you so choose

Silverarrow

I have nothing against the RB Kit at all, in fact I was considering it. However, just because something is the only kit available doesn't mean it is necessarily the end all be all. I've seen AP Racing in action in big races with great success. I can't say the same about RB, not necessarily because they are an inferior system, but if a team is willing to pay out the nose for parts they could get free from another manufacturer - that tells me a lot!