Boneknot

Will a Rx8 with Canzoomers mod beat a Srt-4? Just curiousity, thanx.

brothervoodoo

If all you do is drive in a straight line then save yourself money and get an srt-4...

rotary_it_up

No, not in 0-60 or 1/4 mile.

Most of us on this board hate ?'s like "Can the RX-8 beat this or that" because that is not what we care about, nor is it what the car was built to do. We know that the RX-8 is not the fastest car out there, but we love it for many other reasons that most will never understand.

Feel free to post whatever you want, but be prepared for some backlash with certain inquiries.

racerdave

rotary_it_up has it... it's the RX-8's overall feel and balance that we like.

The SRT is a quick car, but it isn't as well-rounded as the 8... IMHO.

But a tweaked SRT can probably run the 1/4 in the high 12s.

Bone-stock SRT compared to 'Zoomered 8? Hard to tell.

LightEmUp

Next time someone asks a question like this, just tell them yes.

TopBarX

lol....

Boneknot

well the question was just out of curiousity. i wasnt try to start a slugfest here. sorry i posted the damn thing.

Broker73

you know, I wonder what people consider fast?? I do think the 8 is a fast car. Not the fastest out there, but put the pedal down and she does move. I have been in the 8 with the stage one mod, and all I can say is, if you know how to drive it, there won't be many cars pulling away from you !

I think with the stage one mod, and chatting with Maurice, the 8 will pull around 14secs with this mod.......that is fast enough for me !

racerdave

Broker... I agree, for the street, you really don't *need* more than the 8 can deliver. That's why I'm fine with the 8 "as is," although Stg. 1 is practically a must for me.

But that doesn't mean that *more* is not more fun.

syntrix

This is a competition/racing forum, not a street kills forum.

Boneknot, what competition medium are you asking about? ie, 1/4 mile or road course?

Beating could imply "style", "comfort", or any other category.

Please clarify, or else this thread doesn't belong here.

If you are talking about MPG, then the Neon wins every time

Lawerence

I'll assume you are talking about drag racing (1/4 mile) when you asked this question.

Well the 2003 SRT4s normally run 14 flat ~ 99-101mph.
The 2004 SRTs (with more hp, TQ and a quafie limited slip) normally run 13.8 ~ 100-102mph.

This is from what i've seen at the track. I myself drove a friends SRT 4 and got a 14.3 first time driving the car (it was ridiculously easy to drive), given one more pass I probably could've pulled of a 14 flat.

Anyway I think the canzoomer mod will put the RX8 about on par with the 2003 SRT4, but im afriad to say...the srt probably still has more uptop.

Not like it really matters because the rx8 is a better car in almost every other measurable catagorey.

Lawerence

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Boneknot

thank you for clarifying my question lawrence. all i wanted was some positive feedback from some fellow 8 owners. of course i know that the 8 is leagues better than the srt for many reasons. the speed of either car is not of real importance but i was inquiring strictly out of curiousity. thanks

Lawerence

No problem.

Yea it kind of sucks that the srt is faster.
I mean I wouldnt race one, even with the canzoomer mod.

But the RX8 is much more fun to drive.

bureau13

Hell, I would race one without the mod. I'm not going to kill myself because I lost a race.

Every time people answer these questions with all the "Dude, get a life, who cares about straight line" blah blah blah it just sounds defensive. If you REALLY didn't care you would say "No, the SRT-4 is faster in a straight line, but probably not on a road course." The guy asked a question, that question doesn't imply all the negativity that some of you seem to think it implies!

jds

JimW

You have to give a thumbs up to the SRT-4 though. it is by far the best bang for the buck car around, paying $20,000.00 and getting that kind of performance is great. the car also handles pretty decent for a front driver. I test drove a few in the winter and they were a little faster than the 8, but when I drove them in the summer the heat just killed off a lot of power. Hot weather is a turbos nightmare!

murix

They are now hitting 500fwhp on stock engine, stock ecu, and stock clutch with just bolt ons (big turbo and big fmic). For less than $30k total investment, I am pretty sure it is the best bang for the buck in the power department. As for road course, even though they are fwd, they are not all that bad. Stock they come with a quaife and equal lenght half shafts which go a long way to subdue torque steer or handling negatives that fwd introduces.

I give a lot of respect to that car, but it is not the car for me as I imagine is the case for everyone else on here.

Astor

In the ad it said fastest car under 20,000.00 *
then in small print it said 0-60 times only. However it's still a Neon. I went to a show in Nashville and took a pic of the engine.

D MENAC 7

Being a former Neon owner (2000 Salsa Red), I did like that car a lot. Of sourse, it was no SRT.

Biggest complaint I have heard about the SRT is the cadence of the exhaust, it's not a cruising car and it is obnoxiously loud when driving down the highway at 65 mph. The second greatest complaint is about the amount of heat generated by it's power plant. Dodge put a lot of heat into a small space and it gives somewhat a negative effect to performance when it's all heated up.

Yeah, it's got torque, lots of it. It's a fast car and in the right hands faster than an RX-8. That's in the hands of a professional driver, that is. On the street, you aren't looking at a professional any more than I am a professional. Most of the time it's won on quickness out of the hole. Don't shift too early or too late, just get it right and it will get to the finish line first. Of course, I am not talking about doing this on the street because that is neither safe nor legal.

SRTs are a bumpy stiff rattling ride and as everyone has said, not in the class the RX-8 is in. Besides, I am not sure I want a car that has such a heat generating power plant because in the long run, it will develop problems from baking in such a small oven.

murix

Interesting. You say you are not sure you would want to buy a car with such a heat generating power plant yet you purchased a rotary. :p

A SRT-4 can pull a 2.0 60' on street tires and it takes no professional to do so. If you can even find a stock one, they should dip in the high 13's low 14's easy.

Nothing personal, just picking on ya.

The SRT-4 is what it is. A very potent entry level no frills performance car. It is all about bang for the buck. It is very good at that too.

I just happen to want a lot more than bang for the buck, again which is the case for everyone else here I am sure.

Lawerence

Yep murix you are right.
Like I said, I ran a low 14 first time EVER driving the car.
I've seen them take on 350Zs from a 60mph roll and the 350 was not happy.
They are a great buy if you just want speed. BUt like I said that is not the reason why you buy an RX8.

Astor

Exactly my point, I'm appreciative of many different cars for what they are. I just so happened to really like the styling, the handling and uniqueness of the rotary, if I wanted pure speed with the money I was planning to spend on a car, I could have bought a Cobra, or an EVO, or (insert 30-38k) car that can beat the RX-8 0-60 or 1/4 mile. Hell if the Rx-8 weren't such a damn sexy car, I was thinking of waiting until the '05 Cobra's came out, granted only if they look like the concept. And after owning the 8 for about 5 or so months, I feel I like the lower torque sneaky quickness rather than the torque jerk. (I did test the 350Z)

BoysDontCry

I didn't Think the SRT came with differential, I am pretty sure its open. Also, even "dragging" the SRT has huge amounts of torque steer, making it very difficult to keep straight. They SHOULD, however, stuff that bad boy engine into their "slingshot" concept.

murix

For 03, they have an open diff with a quaife lsd available from Mopar for $1k. For 04, they added the upgraded injectors, retuned ecu, and quaife lsd stock.

The SRT has already proven itself this year to be a very competent rally car and if it can hold up to that, it will hold up to the abuse it gets on the street.

Lawerence

like Murix said they have an quafie standard this year.

Also dont lie and say the tq steer is bad. Its virtually non-existant. I've driven the car hard no tq steer. (equal length half-shafts)
On the other hand go drive a specV, that is some tq steer.